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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is one of the reasons Gnosticism exists. In the gnostic interpretation the God of the old testament was the demiurge, while the snake is identified with God or Jesus.

[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Actually if you read the book of revelations jesus sends the whole planet to hell except 7 cities that he told people to go to. he really lays into the sinners.

[–] CatpainTypo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (12 children)

The Old Testament is a bunch of books, letters, poems, historical and legal documents. That when read tell the story of the Jews and their relationship with God and the world over a couple of thousand years. They reflect the culture in which they were written. Many of the documents were written during wars where the writer is convinced God is on their side. There are many prophesies especially in Isaiah which point to Jesus. So when Jesus arrives and fulfills the prophesies some of the Jews follow Jesus but many powerful leaders are awaiting a different, more normal king figure and they are comfortable as they are so choose not to follow. The New Testament is written in a time of relative stability during the longtime invasion by the romans. The writers of those letters and books, some of whom are eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus. (Almost unique in historical documents) take a different stance to who God is. But they don’t all agree. Basically Bible means library.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Jesus did not fulfill prophecy in any confirmable way, it seems like some of the contradictions between the scriptures exist because different authors made up new stories to attempt to have jesus fulfill prophecy.

Figuring out which, if any, of the gospel stories are true is an impossible task.

[–] CatpainTypo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a wise man once said. “Well that’s just like, your opinion man”

El Duderino

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

The old testament was all about acting a certain way and laws, laws, laws. The new testament says just try your best to love and respect each other. In theory anyways. Humans be humaning though and human nature trumps religion every time.

[–] fredofredo@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Maybe because JC was a great guy and a lot of people believed in what he had to say. So, in order to benefit from his fame and gain the trust of his past and potential future followers, there was a gathering a hundred or so years after his death where they chose suitable accounts of his life to include in the book called the new testament. Accounts like the ones later found in the Nag Hammadhi texts and "gnostic gospels" were excluded because they undermined the authoritiy of the church and the power of priests to be the only ones to interpret the will of God.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's simply not true. God talks more about Hell in the New Testament than He does in the old testament. He also is forgiving in the old (Exodus 34:7, Psalm 103:12, Psalm 86:5)

There's basically no change.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The book of Jonah revolves around Jonah not wanting his god to forgive Nineveh.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 4 days ago

Another good example, and God forgiving them anyway

[–] __siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not a particularly informed comment, but I always figured because people started getting scared of the Christian god, so they started turning towards other religions. As a consequence, the Christian church needed to figure out how to make Christianity a bit more approachable, so the new testament and forgiveness were created.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

There were no Christian before Christ. They were Jews, as was Jesus.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Old Testament -> young people behavior.
New Testament -> old people behaviour.
( yeah I know there are exceptions )
Read again keeping that in mind. Read news to look for allegory. People don't change at all.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He's very much not.

I mean, using Jesus to recontextualize the Old Testament God definitely misses the mark. Jesus was here on a mission of mercy to cross the boundary between the sinful ape and the rising angel, and to bring as many people along with him as he could.

But once you're grafted into the tree of Judaism through Christianity, you still have to abide by the rules of Judaism (with the exception that foods are no longer verboten or whatever).

Jesus was an incredibly stern man who was very rigid and inflexible on his views because he had the eternal viewpoint.

He refused to perform an exorcism for a Samaritan woman's daughter who was half Jewish because she wasn't full Jewish even though she was perfectly faithful until she made such a hue and cry that she publically shamed him into it.

He would snap at his own friends if they said the wrong thing or failed to understand something because he didn't effectively communicate it to them so that they would understand at the same level he did.

And I don't hold any of these actions against him, he was on what should be the most important mission in all of human history, right?

But the modern Christianity teachings of Christ where he's like buddy Jesus and he's just a happy-go-lucky, I love everyone peace, love, and harmony dude is absolutely not the way he's actually represented in the Bible by his closest followers.

It was not out of the realm of normalcy for him to do things like beating the fuck out of a temple full of salespeople.

But once again, the sheer stress of his every moment, the fact that if he told a lie, if he felt lust, envy, greed, selfishness, anything that even approximated a sin, it would destroy all of humanity, and himself in the process, must have been so stressful, that in a way, I believe it was a mercy that he died so young.

If Jesus had had to stick it out into his 80s, I don't know.

Maybe he would have fallen along the way.

[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 3 points 5 days ago

It depends where you read. There is fire and brimstone in the new testament. Revelation is a book that doesn't hold back and we see a wrothful God of judgment. But then there stories of Josiph and his brothers, or the book of Daniel, shows that there is forgivness in the old testament as well.

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