He also celebrated Passover. The Last Supper was a seder.
Showerthoughts
A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:
- Both “200” and “160” are 2 minutes in microwave math
- When you’re a kid, you don’t realize you’re also watching your mom and dad grow up.
- More dreams have been destroyed by alarm clocks than anything else
Rules
- All posts must be showerthoughts
- The entire showerthought must be in the title
- No politics
- If your topic is in a grey area, please phrase it to emphasize the fascinating aspects, not the dramatic aspects. You can do this by avoiding overly politicized terms such as "capitalism" and "communism". If you must make comparisons, you can say something is different without saying something is better/worse.
- A good place for politics is c/politicaldiscussion
- Posts must be original/unique
- Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct and the TOS
If you made it this far, showerthoughts is accepting new mods. This community is generally tame so its not a lot of work, but having a few more mods would help reports get addressed a little sooner.
Whats it like to be a mod? Reports just show up as messages in your Lemmy inbox, and if a different mod has already addressed the report, the message goes away and you never worry about it.
If you read the New Testament you would understand why. It goes into this... Everything from Dietary laws to circumcision.
Yeah, also Jesus wasn't white.
I think Brian was, though.
Pretty sure his Roman.
Western Christianity is basically Roman traditions rebranded. Jesus was just a paint coat over it to make it look cooler.
Also wasn't the birthplace of Chritianity in Damascus ? So he was middle-eastern.
It's mostly due to Paul, most Christians are mostly following what Paul wrote. Churches that don't follow Paul, like messianics, are wildly different.
I've met messianic Christians who to me felt Jewish like me but with the Jesus talk.
whoa, I didn't know there were Churches that don't follow Paul. he's one of my biggest issues with Christianity.
I felt like Christianity suffered a lot from so many gentiles streaming in early on without becoming Jews, and by the time it became the religion of Rome it blended with Sol Invictus, Greek Platonism and other Roman mythology, and became incomprehensible. Jesus was Jewish, the Disciples were all Jews, all the context of his teachings only make sense in a context the fresh converts lacked.
I kinda wonder about an alternate universe where a sect of Jews accept Jesus as Moshiach but not as literally God. there'd be no trinity, the parables would go into the Talmud, he'd be seen as a rebbe like Hillel I guess.
I'm a Christian in the Calvinist tradition, but I try to follow Jesus more than Paul. Paul was in my opinion very much a pragmatic who tried to spread Christianity in Greece, and was willing to compromise a bit with Greek sensibilities (which included slavery and misogyny). When in doubt, I look to Jesus instead.
Also, I think Calvin went a bit too far overboard on some things. The reformation was a good thing, but that doesn't make him right about everything.
More ironically western Christians HATE middle-easterners.
There was no year 0. It was 1 BCE then 1 CE. Just FYI.
Was it though? Like back then?
Back then they didn't use Jesus's birth (or at least, the date Dionysius Exiguus thought was Jesus's birth) as the epoch for counting the years.
Back then it was technically the year 3000 something of recorded history. Christianity declared that that's when time started.
Are you sure about that 3000? I thought at the time it was mostly the 6th year of the rule of some king, emperor or governor (Herod, Augustus or Quirinius, most likely), although the Bible doesn't even provide those kind of dates.
As far as I'm aware, having a single universal reckoning is something that Christianity invented in the middle ages. But still based on the rule of Jesus as king, of course.
Yes. So there are a few calendars before the Christian calendar.
Roman empire calendar started 753B.C. which was considered Year One ab urbe condita or A.U.C. which would be 2778AUC today.
The Byzantine Empire year one began on sep1. 5509BC. It would be 7509AM(Anno Mundi) year today
The Chinese calendar is year 4722 today.
There are many many more calendars out there. The bible is a fictional book spread by misinformation and slaughter to shove their teachings and taking over many religions imposing the "Common" calendar on the majority of the world.
Romans but yes Christian Romans after the religion took over the empire.
Almost like the only things most Christians do is what they personally like about the religion. The part that tells you to not sleep with a man if you are a man, literally tells you to not wear two types of cloth in the next sentence. You never hear republicans going after the people wearing two types of cloth do you? Never a single word. Not once in the history of the Republican party have they tried to dehumanize people who wear two types of cloth. Funny how that works. Almost like religion is just a tool they use to spread their hate.
Also fuck the people who wrote in scripture that being gay is a sin. I hope those people burn in hell. 2000 years of suffering and killing of gay people because some asshole couldn't be bothered to think for 30 seconds about whether it's actually wrong or not. Probably a good thing because without its several flaws, religion might have came to dominate the world.
Abrahamic religions generally frown upon non-procreative sex. Not to justify their hate, but they generally see sex for pleasure as inherently sinful.
They see everything as sinful, because they themselves are the most sinful people. It's no mistake that serious religious people tend to be both some of the worst and also some of the most miserable people you ever meet. I believe in God as well but I never assumed God was a dumber then your average human, or that it was just a way for me to impose myself on the world. I always assumed God was close to perfect and so whenever I would assume things about God, I never assumed dumb things like God being a Republican or something. To me God was just an imaginary friend who explored psychic spaces with me. Someone to talk to or pray to if you want to use their auspacious language. The older I get the more I see religion as evil. Even if some of what it says is good, some of what Hitler said was good too. That doesn't make it a good thing. Religion at its core is a very mean and oppressive worldview and the people who practice it aren't very rational on the simple ways. Not to state that everything needs an explanation, but the idea that a grown adult would think God dislikes someone because they are gay or something is incredibly dumb. When you see the dark side of religion like this. If you can put yourselves into the shoes of others and see that religion has created so much horror and suffering for simply kind and innocent people who aren't hurting anyone, not to mention it dehumanized almost everyone, especially women, and is mostly powered by fear, you can really see the issues with it. The worst problem of all however is that it trains people to not think rationally but to think like a schizo. To start with an answer and work backward to try and prove it.
The other dark side is that humans are basically monkeys and they can be extremely shitty to each other. It's hard to say whether the atheist or the deist constitutes the better person, but at this point in history and probably all points, religion just became a vector for the powerful to impose their shitty views onto everyone else. Stuff like what project 2025 is doing. They are basically using religion to mobilize a idiot army to destroy freedom and democracy, so they can have their hoa corporatism. They are like the Nazis in so many ways. They claim to be things when they aren't. They claim to be free market capitalists when they are anything but.
What really bothers me is how if they could just be honest for once in their life and admit that the reason they really voted for trump is because they are sick of mass immigration, they might actually get a compromise or resolution. Probably not because the state doesn't care about those things, and sees it as something that will drive down labor competition and stuff, but because they cannot be honest they live in these delusions and it becomes their reality just out of repetition.
Also their weakness, their actual moral failings make them extremely easy to manipulate by people who are quite literally evil. Because they hate gay people for example, trump got power a second time and he is quietly in the background destroying everything they ever loved. The constitution, the free society, their basic ability to even use the internet and access information without being brainwashed. Trumps hyperinflating the economy which is going to destroy the bonds market, honestly already has, but much of it isn't going to be refinanced for a few years. This hatred they have makes them blind to everything. Their fear of being an outsider is also a giant weakness to them. They feel as if they have to be maga to fit in at work, to keep their jobs. They are a slave to money in this sense. This weakness also traps them into being manipulated because they don't realize how many people actually agree with them, most of them in reality since your common person, for all their weaknesses actually isn't an evil piece of shit like the Republican politicians. Their laziness also becomes a vector for evil to be done through them. They love to be political and vote, yet most people have zero desire to actually learn anything about the issues they vote on, or even history. Now it's too late. You aren't allowed to learn about campaign finance, history, political theory, or any of this. The algorithms will try to hide this stuff from you and direct you into brain rot. Their lack of moral character also becomes a vector of evil. They can never take responsibility, because it's hard. It hurts a bit to admit you have been fighting for the wrong side, but with this pain also comes the ability to change for the better. These are the types of things I learned through my meditations with God. None of this is in the Bible. The Bible teaches obedience, not trusting your own judgment, God taught me the opposite of this, only show obedience to people who deserve it, judge within yourself so that you may know where you are wrong and improve. Most people tell you that one side or the other is better, God taught me that no side is better but representative of two fundamental irreconcilable aspects of reality. Honest work vs human dignity. Democracy as strength in freedom but republicanism as strength in property. Both are necessary. Humans will have children they can't take care of and then expect others to take care of it. Republicans also always tend to become deeply dark and cynical people because the culture is always against their interests even when they are valid.
Religion teaches you to love religious people and hate gay or atheists people. God taught me to love good people and hate evil people. To realize how lucky I was to know him,but to also understand that so few will ever know him because they are too dishonest and do not love what is good and true like their own soul. That is the shame. I ended up becoming a lucifarian eventually. Not really for anything other than style and aesthetic reasons, and because I dislike religion so much. I still have my good character tho. It's also a statement I guess that if you want to shit on me as a trans person then I will not play your stupid games but be what you don't want me to be. It's also because I'm not an atheist or really anything close to it. I don't feel right describing myself that way. I still pray all the time to God, and I think it's a better way to describe myself that takes the power away from religion and humanity to try to define what I am in a way that they like to. It's also protest against the right, I spent my entire life being a humble and kind Christian, and all of these people were atheists who called me stupid. Then when maga becomes popular, all the sudden they claim to be Christians and are just horrible people. They have destroyed something I liked, and ironically now I usually say I'm an atheist just because I hate those people so much. Someone became a Christian less then 4 years ago trying to preach to me about some stupid hateful schizo nonsense. It's pisses me off. Those people do not know anything about God, it's just a way for them to use power and steal from something. That has been a great realization for me. Christianity was only cool when it wasn't popular like everything else I guess. As soon as it becomes popular it gets ruined by the common people and their stupid views and biases. I never read the book, I just followed in the ways of Christ because even as a child I could see the flaws in scripture and religion in general, and yet they do just the opposite. They cling to the book and religion because they do not actually believe in God. They just see it as a useful tool for indoctrinating young people. That is why they will never know God. They treat God worse than even their most hated foe, because they never believed it was real to begin with.
Sorry for the monologue btw, not sure if you even care to hear that, but at least it's unique. Might give you something to think about today during work to make the hours pass gracefully.
That's not "the part". The prohibition on homosexuality is repeated several times in the New Testament. The cloth thing is not.
Also fuck the people who write in scripture that being gay is a sin. I hope those people burn in hell. 2000 years of suffering and killing of gay people because some asshole couldn't be bothered to think for 30 seconds about whether it's actually wrong or not.
It was by inspiration of God. You cannot define wrong without God.
You're the one who's wrong on it if you're disagreeing with God. Religious people don't see rules as man-made. It's not that simple.
Although Christians aren't called to kill gays either. People do it out of hatred, not because of scripture. People were racist and the Bible never promoted that.
Without flaws, a doctrine of fairness for all, murder being a sin, and an overwhelming emphasis on compassion, cooperation, loving thy neighbour and turning the other cheek wouldn't be the disease modern religion is. It would be a codification of human values.
Except the new testament the one about Jesus says something along the lines of nothing you put in your body can taint you. So why would Christians fallo a kosher diet.
That's because Jesus didn't tell us to eat a kosher diet or observe Torah strictly. Christians do teach the Bible in churches, the successor to synagogues.
I'm not sure Jesus said anything about whether his followers need to keep kosher or observe the Torah. "I have come not to replace the Law, but to fulfill it" or something, right? I don't think he weighed in on circumcision or pork. wasn't that largely the early Christians deciding after his death?
Jesus said
Matthew 15:11
it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.
The circumcision thing did come about at the Council of Jerusalem 20 years later, but Jesus instituted baptism which replaced it, and it follows the spirit of what Jesus taught.
Most christians seem to ignore most or all of the bible, anyway.
After reading the book, I realized I’m following much more of the Bible as a Muslim than an average Christard zealot does.
As an atheist who tries to do the right thing for people, same. If he lived today, Jesus would probably be a communist and thrown out by Christians.
Because Jesus showed them a better way? I thought that was the point of it.
All of Jesus's followers who lived when he did were Jewish as well. They were all guilty of what Jesus was crucified for, going against the established religion of the land (I wouldn't call it apostasy though; that's renouncing God and none of them were doing that). Christianity is/was based on the teachings of Christ; it builds upon Judaism.
That's my understanding anyway. I am not religious. But, I don't think "Christians are not Jews like Jesus was" is a bad thing.
What's wild to me is that today's Jews believe Jesus was this decent guy but not the son of God. Then you have Muslims who believe that maybe he was the son of God, maybe he was just a prophet, but they still follow his teachings, they just lean more into the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) (that's how they say it, or they add "PBUH" which means the same). But guess who the Christians side with politically? I don't get it. But I don't think that (the political thing) has to do with who's more closely aligned with Jesus, I think it's who pays better.
But again, I'm not religious, so I don't support or reject any of them. And of course my understanding of these religions is far less than actual practitioners of said religions.
theoretically, Muslims and Jews should be closer. both believe in one god, rather than a trinity. both reject icons. both follow the dietary laws. both Jews and Arabs descend from Abraham.
maybe the closer you are the more you have to fight about 🤷♀️
I've read that Mohammed even wanted to merge his movement with Judaism, but Jewish leaders rejected him, and apparently that set some bad blood.
Muslims don't believe Jesus is the son of god but do believe he is the prophecied messiah, performed miracles and ascended into heaven
There's an argument out there that Paul was the guy who really started Christianity. He molded it into something that could spread all over the Roman Empire. It's not completely accepted by biblical scholars, but it has a lot of merit.
Yeah. Jesus was explicitly clear that he came specifically for the Jews and that his offer was for them. The only gospel story that even hints at anything is is the story of the Gentile woman who wanted him to hear her daughter; he told her that he came for the Jews, and she replied that even the dogs may eat scraps from the master's table. Jesus was "amazed by her faith" and healed her daughter, but that's the end of the story.
It's only after Jesus' death that Peter had a vision that he interpreted to mean that Gentiles could be accepted as following Jesus too, and then Paul really leaned into it. Most of the rest of the New Testament is written by Paul or one of his disciples.
Sure but the Jews never followed Jesus so he failed in everyway then.
If you wanna follow Jesus (according to the best of our information about him), you can't be a Trinitarian quasi polytheist who thinks faith, salvation and works are all disjointed and independent. But Paulian doctrines are nothing but that, and the way for a Roman Empire to convert Jesus' message of accountability and righteousness and his Abrahamic monotheism to something more palatable and in-line with their existing beliefs. This includes but is not limited to: a pantheon of three (with a "human God" as one of those three), "consumption of blood and flesh" rituals, the Day of Judgment no longer being one of actual judgment because if you "believe" "Jesus is God" you're automatically saved, whatever Paulian "grace" was...
The Roman Empire is the grandaddy of all Western imperialistic doctrines and my informed guess is that Paul, who didn't actually know Jesus and even in the Bible he gets told off by Jesus' actual followers, was nothing more than an agent of destabilisation and an infiltrator, perhaps sent by the Romans themselves but if not at least used by them to create what we know now as "Roman Catholicism", which is nothing but a deformed, unrecognisable husk of the teachings of big J. Whether this happened this way or more organically is up to debate, whether Jesus' teachings and Christendom are fundamentally different is not, though, that just requires some basic reading comprehension skills.
There's some line in the New Testamant that absolves Christians of the obligation to observe the laws of Kashrut and whatnot, if I recall, but I couldn't tell you where it is or how exhaustive it is.