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On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

Does this mean that Trump and his followers are fascists?

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He signed an executive order making the entire US army oppose him.

Ima stay outa this now.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Looks like we're all terrorists.

Everyone arm up.

CPAC is finally correct now!

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[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The far right which has taken over ICE and the Federal government under Trump is terrorizing many, many people in this country. JD Vance, Noem, and Trump know it (the cruelty is the point) and yet all cast any criticism of this fact as "terrorist rhetoric." That kind of table-turning projection is foundational in the authoritarian playbook.
But what I don't understand is - why does the American public discourse seem to tolerate all these tactics?

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

The right has complete control of the media outrage apparatus.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

why does the American public discourse seem to tolerate all these tactics?

Because most people aren't very smart and will only care about something once it directly affects them, which is too late.

Which is why this is probably going to get a whole lot worse and everyone that is smart should be preparing themselves for that.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 240 points 3 days ago
[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think I've figured out Trump's Reichstag moment.

It'll be the White House burning down, because of something going wrong with the ballroom construction. Then he'll get to move the presidential residence to Mar-A-Lardo like he's always wanted, and charge the American taxpayers for renovations and rent forever.

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

Oops, guess I'm a terrorist now.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am a terrorist now I guess.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

If you're a terrorist to a fascist regime, you're one of the good guys.

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Since that name is now burned, maybe we could start a new organization to fight fascism. And to let the world know that we've reached a point of fascism we can't turn back from, we can call it Turning Point.

It'd be fun to let them wrestle with calling brand Turning Point a terrorist group.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

You could even call it turning point USA cause it’s happening in the USA right now

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The next big protest is going to be interesting for sure...

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

October 18th.

We need everyone that can walk & hold a sign to turn out.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 128 points 3 days ago (17 children)

One can be anti fascist whilst not being a member of Antifa. Don't forget people, these are the dumbest people in the world running this show.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 210 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I think conflating Antifa with anyone they choose is exactly the objective.

Yup, it’s just a new method to be able to kidnap people off the streets. First it was “they were an immigrant” and then “they looked like an immigrant”. And now it has progressed to “they looked like a domestic enemy of the state”.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

There are no 'members' of Antifa. There are only people that are anti-fascist.

Edit to add: The only people trying to make Antifa a thing are fascists trying to convince the dumbfuck masses that opposition to them is somehow a bad thing. And now they're trying to make that a crime.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

No, "antifa" is, itself, the term for the position of being against fascism. There is no organization.

They also will not care as they're just going to accuse their enemies of it regardless of how left they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and they've been doing it way faster than I expected.

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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago

I would argue there is no organization known as "antifa". Certainly nothing with structure or presence like tpusa or the proud boys, ya know the organization that terrorized the seat of our nation 5 years ago...

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[–] VampirePenguin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I prefer the term freedom fighter.

[–] Luouth@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember this moment? He's probably right

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump is leaving office in a casket tbh. There's even a decent chance it happens before his term is up.

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[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

Come on Trump, you can do better. Here in The Netherlands the government has signed a motion banning antifa already last week! Try to keep up, will ya? /s

It's so unfortunate that journalism is dead, otherwise we could've had some interesting discussions on this topic. For instance, I would like really like to know what would happen if a WWII veteran would speak out against fascism. Will we (The Netherlands or in this case the US) lock that person up?

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

... in case you weren't sure what he stands for

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They are not even hiding that they are fascist now, wow.

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[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago

In the last 30 years, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) has documented only one killing committed by an alleged antifa supporter. On August 29, 2020, Michael Reinoehl shot and killed fascist Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a member of Patriot Prayer, during a protest in Portland, Oregon. On social media following the killing, Trump encouraged police forces to kill Reinoehl. “Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is,” Trump said. Reinoehl was murdered by police and federal agents on September 3, 2020.

While there have been virtually no documented killings committed by alleged antifa members, there have been hundreds of murders and tens of thousands of assaults committed by self-declared fascists, antisemites, far-right militia elements and white supremacists over the last 30 years.

[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Historically the War Dept was anti fascist.... Which means Trump just declared the U.S. military a crimanl terrorist organization... Time to go arrested those serving in the military. Let's start at the top: The ~~good~~ old commander in chief.

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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Its all the smoke screen for the epstein files.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think making opposition to fascism a criminal offense is a distraction from releasing the files that we already know the man is in?

This is why we are fucking doomed. Get a grip.

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 days ago

Epstein files or no, this motherfucker is making it very easy to jail his critics so maybe consider giving this threat a little more weight.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 44 points 3 days ago

Shit news source generally (tankie as all hell), but in this specific case the article seems solid.

Fuck fascism. Fuck this entire administration. Fuck Charlie Kirk and every other nazi like him.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I'm still going to protest, because I'm not the coward that these fascists are hoping for.

Getting arrested for holding a sign on public property will be a slam dunk lawsuit.

Executive Orders cover the federal executive branch. They aren't federal law, they aren't state law & the certainly don't override the Constitution.

Grow a fucking spine.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

America used to be antifa.

[–] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Not really though. They were just anti German-Nazi. Just look at all the lynchings, the Jim Crow laws, segregation etc.

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