Maybe this would be a push for a real open source based phone. GNU/Linux phones needed this push to really get more popularity
this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2025
679 points (97.2% liked)
Android
20315 readers
208 users here now
The new home of /r/Android on Lemmy and the Fediverse!
Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.
πUniversal Link: !android@lemdro.id
π‘Content Philosophy:
Content which benefits the community (news, rumours, and discussions) is generally allowed and is valued over content which benefits only the individual (technical questions, help buying/selling, rants, self-promotion, etc.) which will be removed if it's in violation of the rules.
Support, technical, or app related questions belong in: !askandroid@lemdro.id
For fresh communities, lemmy apps, and instance updates: !lemdroid@lemdro.id
π¬Matrix Chat
π°Our communities below
Rules
-
Stay on topic: All posts should be related to the Android OS or ecosystem.
-
No support questions, recommendation requests, rants, or bug reports: Posts must benefit the community rather than the individual. Please post to !askandroid@lemdro.id.
-
Describe images/videos, no memes: Please include a text description when sharing images or videos. Post memes to !androidmemes@lemdro.id.
-
No self-promotion spam: Active community members can post their apps if they answer any questions in the comments. Please do not post links to your own website, YouTube, blog content, or communities.
-
No reposts or rehosted content: Share only the original source of an article, unless it's not available in English or requires logging in (like Twitter). Avoid reposting the same topic from other sources.
-
No editorializing titles: You can add the author or website's name if helpful, but keep article titles unchanged.
-
No piracy or unverified APKs: Do not share links or direct people to pirated content or unverified APKs, which may contain malicious code.
-
No unauthorized polls, bots, or giveaways: Do not create polls, use bots, or organize giveaways without first contacting mods for approval.
-
No offensive or low-effort content: Don't post offensive or unhelpful content. Keep it civil and friendly!
-
No affiliate links: Posting affiliate links is not allowed.
Quick Links
Our Communities
- !askandroid@lemdro.id
- !androidmemes@lemdro.id
- !techkit@lemdro.id
- !google@lemdro.id
- !nothing@lemdro.id
- !googlepixel@lemdro.id
- !xiaomi@lemdro.id
- !sony@lemdro.id
- !samsung@lemdro.id
- !galaxywatch@lemdro.id
- !oneplus@lemdro.id
- !motorola@lemdro.id
- !meta@lemdro.id
- !apple@lemdro.id
- !microsoft@lemdro.id
- !chatgpt@lemdro.id
- !bing@lemdro.id
- !reddit@lemdro.id
Lemmy App List
Chat and More
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Not if age verification apps have any say.
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18
load more comments
(2 replies)
The EU would like you all to bend a little lower and gag
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18
I hope this means the resurgence of cheap flip phones. I have no use for a pocket computer that I can't use like a computer. I went with Android because iOS was useless, and now Android is about to be made equally useless.
Will be interesting to see how many people move over to iOS now that Google is trashing Android's redeeming feature.
load more comments
(7 replies)
Take the one thing Android has over Apple away. Why go Android then? Might as well go with the device that has close ties to the hardware. Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.
Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.
Google is closing those gates as well. Pixel 10 drivers aren't in the new AOSP build. Graphene has been updated to the Android 16 core, but as Google tightens the leash, it will be more difficult. Google's plan to combine ChromeOS and Android into a MegaBloat will further make it so AOSP is useless.
Every time Google releases a new app for the core OS, they stop supporting the open-source flavor of it, which is why apps like the AOSP messaging app can't do RCS. Eventually all that will be left of AOSP is a mostly useless husk.
Google's intended use case for AOSP going forward is for vendors to be able to test pre-release things, primarily in an emulator environment.
Couple that with things like Samsung's Qualcomm phones can't be bootloader unlocked, and less and less phones in general can be bootloader unlocked, it is going to be an uphill battle for alt OSes.
Hopefully, this will drive enough dev time towards getting a proper Linux-based mobile device in the works, but even that will be problematic as most modems/chips available for that kind of project are inferior, slow, do not support all the bands/modes of modern carrier networks, and even after all of that, the carrier can still reject to certify the device for the network.
It isn't hopeless, but everyone is going to have to get creative and driven if we have any intention of retaining free and open mobile devices.
GrapheneOS said they are working with an unnamed OEM to make devices compatible with GOS. Hopefully they are good, because Pixels may indeed be a dead end.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Well said, and you're right, it's not hopeless. Most people don't need the latest superphone, personally I want to carry around a good music device, that I can read books on, and preferably have maps. Many like cameras, but I like the idea of a devoted one. The communications (/surveillance) device is a separate thing and perhaps we should think seriously about breaking these things apart, hotspot that you turn on when needed for example. How about a nice general purpose pocketable linux gadget and a secure simple telecom to give it a connection?
load more comments
(4 replies)
Many are going even further. Both my friend and I are planning to get dumb flip phones next. Forget also this smartphone always online stuff
no option for secure messaging on a flip phone
You would be surprised. Most modern βdumb phonesβ run KaiOS which has an App Store.
load more comments
(7 replies)
load more comments
(25 replies)
Take the one thing Android has over Apple away. Why go Android then
They've passed the critical mass wherein they can dictate anything they want without losing any significant userbase. The only people that this is going to affect is a tiny minority of people who even know what sideloading is. If you don't think so, you're in a bubble.
These fuckers never wanted to be user centric opposite to apple, they wanted to be alongside apple in telling users what they can or cannot do. They're worse because of the whole advertising monopoly but most people don't even know what any of the above matters. They'll continue on like everyday.
Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.
Will we even have that? IIRC, Google's changing the open source model for Android so its going to be a lot harder from ROM devs to keep up to date with security patches, and then more importantly, have access to device drivers
this is honestly my ideology at the moment... like freedom was the main reason I'm on android. Price wise it's already getting close, and most flagships have removed microSD card support by now. I'm seriously debating my next phone being an iphone just because most of my family uses them, and my convenience being on android is being actively removed anyway.
I can't even imagine that transfer, I've been android my entire life but, every time I talk to my family I list what I want in a phone, and every time I talk to them it seems apple has marked another issue off the list with an update.
load more comments
(3 replies)
load more comments
(13 replies)
I have my Pixel 9 pro with GrapheneOS. Google ain't telling me shit about what I can or can't install.
Are the banking apps still blocked? How's the camera? It's been a while since I installed grapheneos...
I use a credit union, and they whitelisted the OS about a week after I told them about it.
The camera is really good.
I recently did graphene on a new pixel. My bank app (Chase, in the US) did not work immediately but did after lifting Graphene's default app restrictions, strictly for that one app.
Namely "exploit protection compatibility mode" being enabled did the trick.
Camera on the 9a is fine, but I'm not a photographer. I take photos of serial numbers and server rooms. /Shrug
Are the banking apps still blocked?
Depends on the app.
You can just install Googles Camera without Gservices if you want
load more comments
(3 replies)
load more comments
(5 replies)
We kind of need the Linux Foundation or Fairphone or similar to fork android or create a solid base for an alternative. Otherwise, we are screwed.
load more comments
(16 replies)
Still sucks for the OSS community as a whole though.
Didn't Google just fuck with them by making it really hard to developed graphene for pixel 10? If graphene os depends on the aging fleet of pixel 9s and older, they're a few years away from being screwed too.
Yeah sort of. I think they're working with an OEM so they do get security patches early, but yeah. They stopped publishing the reference device tree or something and now it's harder to support new pixels AFAIK. Yes. I imagine graphene is going to try to switch to a new OEM phone they can have more control over, but we'll see. Really sucks and fuck google. They're just trying to lock android down like apple to ensure they get a % of all profits. (IMO)
Android's future goes bleak as updates passby.
I mean, this is terrible garbage, but if Google is going to fully ruin Android then at least the news being out might push resources towards mobile Linux faster.
I'm actually using an old iphone. I look at it like an appliance to connect with mainstream institutions (including local people like other school parents), and take pictures. I have other appliances of varying complexity up to and including my car that run systems I know nothing about as well. I'm not happy about that either, but these are the compromises that happen in the real world.
The closed system isn't appealing to me, but the mass market appeal of the device is. A stunning majority of my direct acquaintances use it. It can streamline interactions sometimes.
And you know, I don't trust them of course, but at least Apple has actually said out loud in high profile presentations that privacy is a fundamental human right, and they always point out when they can keep personal things on-device. And they fight orders to unlock phones. Plus they make their money on hardware sales and services for the most part.
Google, on the other hand, exists pretty much solely to vacuum up data and keep us online and cloud-connected. They typically get major points for interoperability from me, but then I ask how often is it just a cynical embrace/extend/extinguish strategy?
Any big mainstream phone now is just a locked down disposable product of a megacorp. It's also a data scraping tendril of said megacorp loaded with sensors and a fast data connection. And now as a bonus for those of us in the US - it's probably a convenient backdoor warrantless wiretap that the oligarchs can just accidentally forward the government the passwords to.
My COMPUTER runs Linux. I can't wait until I can have a real linux computer in the form factor of a high quality phone.
load more comments
(3 replies)
This linux phone by Liberux seems like the most promising option in the near future. The crowdfunding campaign failed this summer but the project is still moving forward, just waiting to hear more from them @Liberux
Also GrapheneOS but not sure how far along any of this is: "We plan to partner with OEMs to have devices produced meeting all our requirements, providing additional privacy/security features beyond them and ideally shipping with GrapheneOS rather than massively lowering our standards."
Edit: here's a recent post from GrapheneOS from August 2025:
load more comments
(9 replies)
Well, I never gave them permission to install Google Chrome. Maybe they should start thinking about their self first...
Lol this is old news brah π
Still waiting my Moto G 5G 2024 to have the "Allow OEM Unlocking" option to become un-greyed... it's currently day 2/7 I think?
(supposedly it takes 7 days after being connected to the internet, even tho I already got the unlock code... π€·ββοΈ)
load more comments
(9 replies)
While it sucks at least they say adb install will continue to work (for now)
https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq
Can we update without adb? If updating all the apps also require ADB, this will get annoying fast.
If EU doesn't step in, I'm moving to custom ROM
load more comments
(2 replies)
Ive had grapheneOS for years, is every customer android rom done for? I may just get a "dumbphone" or maybe back to iphone? I wish I could just have no phone but obviously need close family to contact me at anytime
load more comments
(4 replies)
Build up graphene and Linux phones!
GrapheneOS is probably not long for this world with how much Google has been fucking with AOSP's source code releases. We need full-fat mainline Linux on our phones, with no Android code included.
load more comments
(5 replies)
Sounds like I'll be using a "phone" with Ubuntu Touch or similar with a VoIP SIP app running. As long as I have 4G/5G data, that'll probably work as well as anything I'm willing to use.
For me, this has the added bonus of being able to configure my VoIP service however I want. Mine lets me do custom menus and such, easier to filter out robots that way.
Let's see if I have an old Pixel 3a around...
load more comments
(5 replies)
view more: next βΊ