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[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

God fucking dammit these right wing dumbasses are really returning to scientific racism? Fucking hell any first year anthro student could tell you that while there is a measure of sexual dimorphism present in the human skeleton it varies wildly based on population/life history, it's very common to have robust skeletons that belong to females & more gracile skeletons that belong to males! That's why it's called a goddamn sex estimate! It's an educated guess at best! You just can't use the skeleton alone to "determine" someone's sex, that's not how it works!!

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Bigoted phrenology has always been popular in incel/redpill/blackpill forums, gradually all of this slop is leaking into the mainstream.

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I was under the impression that the space between the hip bones was a pretty reliable estimate? I may be dumb (probably).

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

I think even the best methods are still only like 90% accurate, which could still easily hide lots of categories even of cis people in that remaining 10%

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

The hip bones are one of the more reliable methods of sex estimation, but it's still exactly that, an estimation.

Anyone who claims to be able to determine with certainty someone's sex from their skeletal structure is either misinformed/not properly educated on the subject or knowingly misrepresenting the facts to fit into their agenda. Responsible anthropologists will always treat it as an estimate/guess and never a concrete determinism.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Needs to be estimated in a context of several skeletons belonging to the same group of people that died during the same period in that location. And it could still be a marginal difference or a (normal) exception. These differences can be minimal and too volatile to make certain estimates with just one sample and no population data to compare to.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

What I have come to understand is for bones, it's a game of averages. So amab bones on average might be bigger, or differently shaped or whatever than afab bones across some statistically significant sample for specific bones in specific cultural groups, as an example. Which does NOT mean that any individual bone on any individual person always fits within the expected norms of that statistical sample. That's not how statistics work.

For example if you're digging up bones and you find one bone, that doesn't probably tell you much about who that bone belonged to. If you find a complete skeleton that might tell you more about that one person because you have a bunch of bones, but still isn't 100% accurate. You can't know everything about them with a full skeleton. If you find a pile of bones or a whole city of bones then you can probably tell something about an area or a population group for example but that doesn't mean you can guarantee much else about any individual bone or individual set of bones either. So basically yeah we're all different and just because you can use statistics to derive some useful information it doesn't mean you can use those statistics to derive everything all of the time.

It's the same shit that racists do with crime statistics or economic statistics or whatever. They look at the statistic of a group, they take it out of context for that group, and then they apply it to an individual instead of a group. It's taking data and removing it many steps from reality to intentionally draw wrong conclusions.

So of course they'll do it with shit like bone size or facial proportions or literally anything you can think up. It's not science but since it is "backed by data" it feels legitimate to people who refuse to think about it.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

... is this an actual thing that human beings waste some of their finite time alive to fuckin fuss about?

I'm trying to imagine being pissed off about a green cartoon character like that, and I'm having a hard time.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What else are you supposed to think about while you wait for the judge to give his decision in your child custody case that your totally sick ass attorney which was not yourself definitely slamm dunked for you

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

This is what having no real community does to people

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No mention of the external occipotal protuberance

No mention of the glabella

No mention of the angle of the orbit

Instead some bullshit about the ratio of neuro cranium to the facial cranium, the size of the piriform aperture and a "More vertical frontal bone"

Fake fucking phrenology, take an anatomy course.

spoilerAlso literally any anatomy book will tell you that these are probabilities

[–] miz@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago
[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

fetch me my ogre calipers I've got some studying to do

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Okay is that skull on the center left even human?

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

The Deftones Around the Fur face

[–] zipper@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that's what i'm saying dawg no human ever alive could achieve that typa skull, transvestigators want every man to secretly have a pussy there's no other explanation

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Becoming a transvestigator because you are a chaser and ?????? internet-delenda-est

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

going to the pharmacy to pick up my prescription of squash and stretch

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

His head is tilted forward and his eyebrows are lowered. We can see more forehead so obviously his skull shape must have changed very-smart

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Females, notorious for having coneheads

#TransitionGoals (Attainable)

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Couldn't have used similar poses?

Also, what effect would this even have?

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

It proves there is a secret force feminizing torture basement for ogres made-it-the-fuck-up

[–] cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

They're turning all of us trans, obviously. Can't you see it??? Even the frogs are gay now smh my head.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

They're comparing to human skills, not ogre skulls.