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Mastodon reversed this decision in February, saying a lack of quote posts might discourage people from joining the fediverse
No shit. So late to the party :(
Glad they're finally getting to it. I guess I shouldn't be too harsh, apparently progress is slow on it, by still.
The slowness is a feature not a bug though. This is a very powerful feature and an important discussion for the community.
cool. it's always good to have new features that people will make use of.
I never missed them, let's see if they're useful
" not much "
That's what I thought as well, but then on the other hand so many screenshots of x and bluesky posts are quote toots
Many quote posts should just have been a reply comment in my opinion.
Or a simple retoot of the original post.
Producing a quote post oftentimes only shows that the poster's main concern is to fill his own channel and that he is happy to hijack other people's material for this purpose.
That was a shockingly long turnaround for these, considering. I've come and gone from Mastodon like three times since this was an argument and at least twice since they said they would do this.
Oh, well. I originally thought this was a bad call, and I did hate the old Twitter snippy bullshit this enabled, but Bluesky sorta proved to me this was a cultural issue more than a feature set issue. And while we're at it, while I don't particularly like the implementation of Bluesky's custom subject feeds I'm fairly convinced that some alternative to chronological-only feeds would be beneficial. This seems like too little, too late, honestly.
I like Bluesky and I'm currently on hiatus from Mastodon, but when you say "too little, too late" it may be that Bluesky beat them there, but at the end of the day Bluesky is still Big Tech bullshit. It is a matter of when, not if, it will be enshittified and we need a replacement.
Bluesky is a breath of fresh air and I like the community and features there. And twenty years ago Google was the awesome upstart punching Microsoft in the balls, and yet here we are today.
Not really related to the bulk of your comment but I'm curious (if you don't mind sharing) what features you like from BlueSky, in comparison to Mastodon?
Custom feeds, subscribed blocklists, blocking/muting keywords for a period of time. Basically the moderation controls. My mental health is better when I can just turn off certain topics for a bit without abandoning them altogether.
If I remember right, mast has a feature where you can follow someone but only their self posts and not reposts. There are accounts that are repost machines and I don't want to follow someone if I'm not getting to hear their own thoughts in their own words. I wish Bluesky had that.
That makes a lot of sense; thanks so much!
Filters already mute keywords and can be set for specific periods of time. AFAIK*, subscribed blocklists were rejected because they could be used to target minority members by bad actors. How are custom feeds different from lists?
I haven't been on mast for a bit. Custom feeds can do things like give you the posts of your quieter folks, see only posts (not so useful if you could just select certain people to only see self-posts, but useful now), I can get a feed of what's popular with my friends. Those are examples from my own, but there are tons of custom feeds.
Oh I forgot you can do things like a classifier and labeled, so I can choose to identify myself as a developer and see if someone else labels themselves similarly. There are a bunch of other labelers.
I am aware of the potential issues with subscribed blocklists, but I use a few anyway, and it saves me from doing a lot of blocking myself. It's not perfect because it is abuseable , but I like having the choice to use it.
You can do timed mutes of keywords, though the times aren't as customizable as some people might like.
Well, I'm still waiting for Twitter to "need a replacement". It seems to be doing just about fine on its new normal. Ditto for any of the other Meta places, which have only consistently grown over time. Yes, Facebook, too.
To be clear, I don't particularly mean too little, too late for me. I'm not on Twitter or Facebook or any of those platforms, Bluesky and Fedi aside. And again, I was not on board with the Masto quote tweet thing. I did stop using it frequently, but not for that reason.
I mean too little, too late to make an impact of any kind. Masto has been stuck where it is for a while, and so has Bluesky. I don't think either are going back to growing anytime soon, but if either does it probably won't be because Masto added quotes. I'm fairly comfy talking to the same dozen people out here like I'm in a 90s IRC channel, but ultimately it'd be nice if the gross places didn't keep driving the global conversation forever. And on that front... yeah, too little, too late.
Yeah, neither have killed Twitter or displaced it enough to affect real change, but they are nice despite — or perhaps because of — being smaller. Like Lemmy, in fact. I don't know if being here hurts Reddit. I hope so. But more importantly I like it better in these places even if it fails to disrupt the fortunes of greedy assholes.
But the next time something happens to disrupt Twitter or Reddit, alternatives are available and will attracts few more people away. Over time... who knows. Maybe some real change will happen by accident.
They are credible threats now. I think Bluesky is a bigger threat to Twitter. Some posters said when they posted about Russia's war they got better interactions on Bluesky because X downranks the topic
So is this new option for official mastodon client, on moshidon there is an option "post about this" where you have your own post and different post kinda embedded to your post, now not sure if they are the same options or not.
I'm quite optimistic that this will do well. The main fear is that quote feature is mostly used for bullying but I think lately Mastodon communities are quite healthy and self correcting for this to not be the case.
This is a pretty big deal for Masto, yeah?
Yeah, people have been arguing about it for at least the last three years, since the first big twitter migration.
Everyone just kind of ignored that you could screenshot a post and reply to it already.
If you screenshot the post, there's no guarantee it's not doctored
That's fine. The friction of typing in the person's name to harass them from the screenshot does deter some people, it turns out.
I actually like that Mastodon is more manual. Keeps things less combative overall.
Same. I like that it is hard to go viral. It feels more like people talking and less like influencers (although there are some.)
At the same time, the lack of virality may hurt it since it feels much more like a burgeoning project. One of the draws for someone coming off of Twitter would be feature parity, and Mastodon feeling less complete and much smaller wouldn't help.
Yup. There's just something that makes social media better when you are forced to be more intentional about it.
With those privacy options to control who can quote post I am not strongly opposed.
Misskey and Akkoma have had them for years
