chapotraphouse

The questions we laypeople who have no experience in an area need to ask when someone raises an idea like this is "Is this actually unusual activity? Or is this actually just a relatively common thing that regular people just never pay attention to?" It's like every time the goverment starts talking about UFOs, suddenly, a lot more laypeople start reporting UFO sightings. Are there actually more things flying around up there? No, people are just paying attention to something they usually ignore and know nothing about, so they see "weird" lights and assume it must be related to the Important Thing that is currently happening, when they're just seeing planes, satellites, meteors, planets etc.

People are really good at pattern recognition, too good, we spot patterns everywhere, where they don't exist and it is easy to connect the dots of unrelated events without realising that is what we are doing. The important thing is to thoroughly investigate and challenge ideas, even those that "make sense"

lol this is FlightRadar24 which relies on members of the public with ADSB receivers transmitting information to the platform. If an area doesn’t have a dude with a gadget they get from FR24 then there is no coverage. This happens all the time in sparsely populated areas, and even in moderately populated areas due to terrain features impacting signal reception at certain altitudes. ADSB is also likewise not required if you’re outside 30 miles of a major Class B airport, or if you submit an airspace waiver, and if you submit a privacy application to the FAA your ADSB data won’t even be publicly viewable at all on any of the commercial ADSB tracking platforms. The fact that commercially-available ADSB data briefly dropped off in rural America during approach to landing is one of the most normal things to ever happen.

ADSB isn’t “radar”. “ADSB Radar” is not a thing. If you’re not transmitting ADSB you would still appear on a radar screen. ATC radar screen recordings aren’t publicly accessible.

Directly from FR24:

Flightradar24 has a network of more than 50,000 ADS-B ground based receivers around the world that receive flight information from aircraft with ADS-B transponders and send this information to our servers. Due to the high frequency used (1090 MHz) the coverage from each receiver is limited to about 250-450 km (150-250 miles) in all directions depending on location. The farther away from the receiver an aircraft is flying, the higher it must fly to be covered by the receiver. The distance limit makes it very difficult to get terrestrial ADS-B coverage over oceans.

People in general overestimate the extensive of civilian flight surveillance capabilities. There are many parts of the country where you can’t even get in contact with ATC below 3000 feet.

“Plane turned off its Radar” (by which they mean the transponder, the ADSB-Out transmitter, or something else?) is not a conclusion you can draw from FlightRadar24.

Here’s the same issue from a flight on September 8:

I’m an airline pilot and part-time flight instructor and I’ve had flights to certain areas where the ADSB coverage “mysteriously” drops off before picking up again near the destination (airports tend to be near population centers, therefore someone transmitting information to FR24 is more likely). It didn’t involve me having my “radar illegally turned off”.

We can do better than posting twitter speculation from people who have no clue what they’re talking about.

Edit: And for non-towered airports in rural America, even radar coverage tends to be spotty. Radar services are usually terminated before you drop out of coverage and you have to call the controller from the ground after landing to let them know you didn’t crash and die.

There are hundreds of planes around the country flying around with no radios, no ADSB, and below radar coverage in rural areas every day. And it’s not illegal.

This escape plan doesn’t even make any sense. A private jet on an IFR plan is one of the most trackable means of transportation of all time. And they went through all that trouble only to land at the next state over? On a plane registered to known Zionists? You can land a private jet in Canada and 9/10 times there will be no customs officer even sent out to inspect the plane. You could head to Northern Canada, where there is basically zero coverage of anything in the lower levels.

TLDR: FR24 isn’t an all-seeing eye, it’s a crowdsourced commercial flight tracking platform that gets very janky once you get down low away from densely populated areas. I recommend using ADSBExchange because it ignores the FAA privacy flags for certain aircraft and you therefore get more extensive data.

Edit 2: I just took a look on FR 24 and the flight to PGA has complete data it seems like:

FR24 doesn’t have the return flight to PVU which is viewable on ADSBExchange. The flight path seems to conform with the usually assigned route. For instance they probably used this departure:

Additionally the clearance delivery contact for PGA is listed as a phone number, meaning ATC cannot be reached from the ground or at lower altitudes:

More info on PGA comms here:

hey everyone, make sure to read @VILenin's excellent explanation about why there is, in fact, nothing to see here and you should move along:

https://hexbear.net/comment/6493232

i'd pin his comment directly, but alas, my powers are limited

Anyone have a better source than a random social media post that could be made up? At least a link to the post in question?

If it turns out it was actually an Israeli or Zionist "hit" ... I just... I don't know what I will think.

hell yeah lets go

Makes you think

what, was the shooter usain fucking bolt? who could even entertain a 12 minute drop off, kill a guy, 30 mins later back in the air timetable??

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