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[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People don’t like offices and are more productive when they’re happy. Who knew?

[–] fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I did. I always knew.

[–] CodeBlooded@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Holy smokes, working from home is not a “raise.” You should be compensated for the value you bring, not where you’re sitting when you bring value.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I spend $400 a month on gas because of my long commute. Work from home is definitely a raise in my situation. Gas bill goes down to $100 a month. Works out directly to a 5% raise just in gas alone. Car insurance can be switched to leisure only saving money further. Gain an extra two hours a day which were unpaid before, so my workday is now only 8 hours instead of 10, that is another equivalent to 25% on an hourly rate indirectly.

Then there is all the other benefits such as just being happier and more productive.

[–] gonzoleroy@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe that's the approach for hiring...remote employees are hired with the understanding that they will earn less than equivalent in-office employees. Commute time, transportation expenses, and any other incidentals make up the difference. It's all made clear and transparent upfront.

If remaining remote limits an employee's promotability for reasons of company need, this is also made clear.

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why should they earn less than somebody who is in-office? A remote employee costs less in physical resources like office space, heating and cooling, electricity and internet.

Ultimately it's the end result that matters, not where it's done.

[–] gonzoleroy@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because remote employees don't spend their own time and money on commuting to work. Those factors, along with saving on childcare, are the main drivers for desire to work remote, yes?

A company can reduce its office footprint to account for fewer in-person employees and save money. But that alone doesn't address the factors above faced by employees who commute, so those workers should be compensated.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A remote worker's worth is no less valuable than one who's onsite. If you want something like this to work then the employer should pay a differential for those who have to be onsite to compensate for the time and money spent commuting.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So pay the WFF employee more than the WFH employee?

One way is baked in, the other is a topping, still damn near identical though

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Instead of the stick of paying people less from working home, they're getting a carrot for deciding to be there. That has a wildly more positive perception for workers IMO.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

On the sustainability front:

WFH means people aren't commuting. This is good, as we use less energy, particularly gas in our cars. On the down side, public transit agencies may have to dramatically cut service, increasing people's reliance on cars to get around. At an extreme level, they may go bankrupt due to lack of ridership.

Energy - home energy use has increased home residential energy use by between 7% and 23%. Lower income residents who do not have air conditioning can also suffer disproportionately. Higher income workers can readily afford expensive home upgrades, like adding a home office. Since empty commercial buildings still need to be heated and cooled, the energy savings aren't as great.

Real Estate - the US will need to delete 18% of its commercial real estate. There is trillions of dollars worth of commercial real estate debt maturing in the next 3 years that will be worthless. I've actually seen vacancy rates approaching 30% in many downtown markets.

This will leave every major city with a giant hole in its central city and cause major economic disruption in both the real estate investment market, construction I distry and walkability of cities. We may be staring down the barrel of another "white flight to the suburbs" that we saw empty out cities from the 1950s through the late 1990s.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The upside to these empty buidings is they can - and should be - transitioned to housing. It's just the rich companies who own the buildings don't want to have to invest any money in that.

Gov'ts should force them to, but that won't happen either. :/

[–] jeanma@lemmy.ninja 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I could trade my WFH for a room with a view and a door. :) fuck openspace and flexdesks!

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly I wouldn't. I can't think of anything that would make me work in an office again. I can't do it.