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[โ€“] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 21 points 2 days ago

The other option is to officially recognize that Germany has been attacked now.

They are too afraid to say it.

[โ€“] FatLegTed@piefed.social 34 points 3 days ago

Change the law, now. Shoot them down, track their operators. Try them as spies and deal with harshly.

[โ€“] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Despite the use of jammers, the drones could not be fended off.

That's much more worrysome than the drones themselves. Ukraine has working jammers but Germany doesn't?

The article should answer why they cannot shoot down drones over their bases. There would be no threat for civilians.

[โ€“] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

Why? It tells us that these drones are able to operate autonomously (for a while). That's moderately useful to know.

[โ€“] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Germany has to draft laws in order to defend its own airspace?

Jesus is that like something NATO did to them after ww2?

[โ€“] einkorn@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

The Bundeswehr is not authorized to use force in Germany itself in peace times. That's the job of the police.

However air defence hasn't really been part of their job description, hence the need to adjust the law.

[โ€“] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Apparently the government needs a two-thirds majority to pass this kind of law, which usually means that some part of the opposition needs to vote for a law proposed by the government. The two-thirds majority requirement might be due to WW2, but the real issue is that the then-opposition would literally rather have a foreign country continuously violate our airspace than give one crumb to the other side. I doubt the CDU (then opposition, now government leader) actually had much issue with the content of the law.

Also, for a long time this kind of thing just wasn't necessary. I doubt the sowjets were regularly flying military jets into West German airspace.

[โ€“] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Germany has to draft laws in order to defend its own airspace?

No.

They would have to draft laws to defend when there is no attack. Or to defend while not calling the attack an attack.

"No bullshit" has been a good principle in most of the laws, up until recently...

[โ€“] poVoq@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just use trained hawks, comes with built in plausible deniability ๐Ÿ˜…

[โ€“] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Wasn't us, it was the hawks!