Canadians just won their negotiations, so not surprising here. Canadians won by outplaying the Canadian carrier though, so not the same strategy.
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This is something where there is no excuse but greed.
The wages of flight attendants are a drop in the ocean compared to everything else for operating a plane.
As usual, they attack the ones who can't fight back.
HOWEVER: Since we're living in Shitworld where we love rewarding greed and sucking off our oppressors, this could easily result in higher profits for airlines. What they will try to do is pay flight attendants while planes aren't flying, but then charge customers significantly more and argue that it's to pay the flight attendants while pocketing the excess.
Wait... They don't get paid for work when not flying? Wtf
Well, they're flight attendants, not rolling attendants, or sitting at the parking spot attendants. It's all in the job description.
If you have to be somewhere sometime for your job you should be getting paid, we need better unions
Yup. You should be paid from the moment you're required to arrive until the moment you're allowed to leave. That includes
- Getting changed into uniform, if there's a reason the uniform couldn't have been worn in (e.g. special safety gear, full body character costumes)
- Any security or bag checks
- Turning on computers
My boss at my first job tried to tell me that i needed to be in and logged into my terminal by my shift start time
These terminals were like 15 years old, booted over the network and took at least 5 minutes to log in if they weren't turned off the night before. 8-10 mins if i had to turn it on as well.
I told him to do one.
Also if i was 1 min late for work they would dock 15 mins of pay and still expected me to work the remaining 14 mins unpaid, on minimum wage.
My fiances POW (a care home) does this too to this day
Carers should unionise, it's a highly exploitative sector
Carers should unionise, it's a highly exploitative sector
Many care workers (in the US, at least) are unionized, through SEIU. Perhaps your fiance could reach out to them for help organizing their workplace.
The commute. Make employers pay an extra 2 hours a day and they'll be a lot more willing to let us work from home.
Of course, not all jobs can be done remotely, but this would free up traffic and improve the commute of those that have to work in-person.
We just need a better government at this point.
Both sides need to stop going to bat for the people keeping them down.
wtf?
“We can fly upwards of 15 hours in a day and only get paid for three and a half. Our flight attendants don’t make a living wage,” said Becky Black, a flight attendant for nearly 22 years at PSA Airlines, which operates flights for American Airlines. “We have a flight attendant who lives in a homeless shelter. We have flight attendants that are living in crew rooms. We have flight attendants who are 30 years old and have to move back in with their parents because they can’t afford to live with this job.
capitalism. the problem is fucking capitalism.
🌏🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 always fucking has been.
That’s wrong. You can be on duty 15 hours a day and only get paid 3.5 hours. She misspoke or the press got it wrong.
Unfortunately this is true (assuming the PSA block minimum is 3.5hrs) At jetblue it's 5 hrs, at spirit it's 4 hrs. Duty can be scheduled between 12-14 hours and extended upwards of 15 for delays.
Take the example of this fun little overnight trip, you fly one leg to Norfolk, sit on the ground for five hours (six and a half, but half hour deplaning, one hour boarding) then fly back. Your flight time (paid time) is 4hrs33 and your time away from base (time on duty) is 12hrs35
But dont panic folks, you can be disciplined at any point during duty time for your behavior, where you are, and uniform compliance :,(
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No idea if PSA even has a day value in their FA contract.
I say the same thing, where "flying" is transit time between places, even if there's a layover. There's a difference being at home and "on duty" as in on-call and ready to go and being stuck in an airport for 10 hours because you're doing a Chicago-LA-Chicago return and stuck in LA because the shitter's broke on the plane you took there and need to get back to O'Hare.
Seriously, that person is not at home and not able to really have control over their own time because of their job. It's more than being just "on duty" in a sense that they shouldn't be getting paid.
I didn’t want to get in the weeds for an audience that doesn't need to know the differences between reserves or being stuck at an airport all day on a trip that went bad over weather or maintenance. Yeah, there’s different kinds of duty, but for this argument I’d suggest the latter is far more likely. Long days made worse due to some disruption where you might only get one or two legs done on an RJ.
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If I have to spend time doing ANYTHING (including nothing) for your company against my free will. You will pay me.
Lol you should be allowed to clock in when you start your commute. These CEOs don't even want to pay their employees when they are on the clock and working.
Here's a fun fact. Vasquez Rocks is a common shooting location for Hollywood. Particularly Star Trek; my wife and I make a game of pointing out when they're using Vasquez Rocks for yet another episode.
The reason it's used so much is that it's an arid environment just outside the "studio zone". If they shoot within the studio zone, people have to pay for their own transportation and meals. If it's outside, the studio pays for all that. Vasquez Rocks is just outside the studio zone.
Slight correction, it's just inside the studio zone. Studios wouldn't prefer a place that requires them to pay more!
Yeah, that makes more sense.
The reason it's used so much is that it's an arid environment just outside the "studio zone".
Vasquez Rocks is inside the studio zone, according to your link.
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Bunch of lazy freeloaders wanting to get paid for working.
Looks like the US flight attendants are following Canada's lead. Good on them.
Air Canada (AC.TO), flight attendants want to make gains on unpaid work that go beyond recent advances secured by their U.S. counterparts, a union leader said on Wednesday, in a fresh test of the way airlines compensate cabin crews.
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New labor agreements at American Airlines (AAL.O), and Alaska Airlines (ALK.N), legally require carriers to start the clock for paying flight attendants when passengers are boarding, not when the flight starts to taxi down the runway. Those gains came after Delta Air Lines (DAL.N), whose flight attendants are not in a union, instituted boarding pay for its cabin crew at half of their hourly wages in 2022 when they were trying to organize.
I did not know this. It's a wonder anyone chooses to be a flight attendant at all. I know I would quit as soon as I found out they weren't going to pay me for the work I did.
This sounds insane, it would be like if every cashier had to greet customers at the door for free several hours each day.
Or they only got paid for the seconds/minutes they were actively checking out a customer. This is insane
What kind of people stay in a job like that? I would have to be pretty desperate and know that I was otherwise unemployable to keep showing up for a job that only paid me for a fraction of the time I was required to be there.
Because it’s still a “glamor” job, and it eventually pays OK after a decade + of work. Travel, travel benefits, don’t take your work home with you…if you’re good with people and can do the training it can be a good gig. It should pay better, but nobody gets paid until the door is closed and the plane pushes back. Not even the pilots, but pilot pay can be high enough to account for all the time at work outside the “door closed at departure and door open at destination” pay clock where the flight attendants are stuck dealing with passengers on a plane even if the door is closed sitting at the gate and they don’t get paid.
The greed in this world is astounding.
We really need to stop respecting businessmen.
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