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E: apparently it needs to be said that I am not suggesting you switch to Linux on your phone today; just that development needs to accelerate. Please don't be one of the 34 people that replied to tell me Linux is not ready.

Android has always been a fairly open platform, especially if you were deliberate about getting it that way, but we've seen in recent months an extremely rapid devolution of the Android ecosystem:

  1. The closing of development of an increasing number of components in AOSP.
  2. Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices. I suspect Google is not far behind.
  3. Google implementing Play Integrity API and encouraging developers to implement it. Notably the EU's own identity verification wallet requires this, in stark contrast to their own laws and policies, despite the protest of hundreds on Github.
  4. And finally, the mandatory implementation of developer verification across Android systems. Yes, if you're running a 3rd-party OS like GOS you won't be directly affected by this, but it will impact 99.9% of devices, and I foresee many open source developers just opting out of developing apps for Android entirely as a result. We've already seen SyncThing simply discontinue development for this reason, citing issues with Google Play Store. They've also repeatedly denied updates for NextCloud with no explanation, only restoring it after mass outcry. And we've already seen Google targeting any software intended to circumvent ads, labeling them in the system as "dangerous" and "untrusted". This will most certainly carry into their new "verification" system.

Google once competed with Apple for customers. But in a world where Google walks away from the biggest antitrust trial since 1998 with yet another slap on the wrist, competition is dead, and Google is taking notes from Apple about what they can legally get away with.

Android as we know it is dead. And/or will be dead very soon. We need an open replacement.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 49 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Smart phones are simultaneously such a wonder of human engineering and have become such a disappointment of human greed.

This whole situation has made me just care less about my phone, and use it less in my life while I use Linux PCs much more.

I don't see my phone as a "computer" at this point, really. It's more of a communication appliance. If I'm launching an app that's not texting, calling, GPS, or music, it's probably a replacement for a website I'd normally use on a PC.

Linux phones could change this though. The idea of your PC being your docked phone would work great for most use cases. Unfortunately though, even though I would love it I don't really see the general public jumping at the chance to get back to the desktop experience. I could maybe see a little traction in the business world.

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[–] Busyvar@jlai.lu 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Currently i am looking for a Jolla phone https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-community-phone

They are private company but seems to be very user friendly and carefull with their dev community. What do you think about them folks?

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I'll switch away from Android when there's a good alternative, but I'm not very technical and need something with a nice GUI and an easy installation process. Hopefully Linux will offer something like that someday, but I don't think it's there yet.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I got a Sailfish OS last year seeing the writing on the wall already with all the bootloader locking. It’s been bumpy to put it lightly, but at least it has Android apps to help get over the gaping holes of basic missing apps like a halfway decent XMPP client. …But at least native WhisperFish lets you get around the lack of Signal on most non-duopoly platforms.

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

indeed, android has been a shit show for the last couple of months and its not looking good.

i was thinking that this will make rooting and by extension custom ROMs prevalent again which hopefully will take us back to the golden age of android modding, but be careful of what you wish for.

I DON'T WANNA USE STOCK ANDROID. DON'T WANNA DON'T WANNA DON'T WANNA DON'T WANNA DON'T WANNA DON'T WANNA

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Custom ROMs and rooting won't solve any of these problems.

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[–] amuck1924@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So what is our alternative? I get that we need to start working on an actual viable open platform, but it seems like the difficulty is mostly hardware and device manufacturers locking the bootloader at this point, isn't it? So is that where we need to go? To make the "Raspberry Pi" of mobile phones?

I'm happy to help, I just don't have the free time to spearhead a whole project.

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[–] TheLazyNerd@europe.pub 6 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I just bought the Fairphone 6 with /e/os. I am pleasantly surprised with how many apps work just fine.

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[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 131 points 3 days ago (50 children)

My next phone will run Linux, even if it is inconvenient.

As soon as this phone is paid off, I'll be changing from Google Fi as well. Which sucks because it's hella cheap.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (7 children)

My next phone will be a ThinkPad because it has a SIM card slot.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 84 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My next phone is definitely going to be a Linux phone. I don't care if it's ready. I'm ready.

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[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I just hope that this time we go Free Software and not committing the mistake of going Open Source for a 3rd time (BSD/UNIX AT&T; Android/Google). Unless we want to fall with the same stone yet once more.

Android going Open Source allowed Google to close Android once it got mature. It's a Trojan Horse, yet people still go Open Source and then complain when some company closes their source.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Framework has the chance to do something really funny...

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Would love to see it but that sounds significantly more difficult.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

By the way, outside of our brawl down below, I do agree with you 100% that having a fully functional and modern Linux phone would be an amazing thing to have.

[–] AbsolutePain@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I'll consider a Linux phone as long as the following are met:

  • Battery life is decent (for me this means a minimum of 24 hours of light use and no mystery drains).
  • Reliable enough to not fear for my life when traveling.
  • UX is polished enough to not be painful.
  • Email notifications and communication apps work correctly (Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp).

If these are met, I'll buy whatever is available in a year or two.

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[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I don't agree!

A linux phone, or any other open source alternative, has ALWAYS been more important than the ones we've got. Being locked into an eco-system, has always been bad for the regular user. It's about companies controlling people and the market, and it should never have to be a choice between a rock and a hard place.

I really wish that the Firefox phone had gained more support. And I wish that there will soon be a linux-phone for the regular person, all over the world.

But I guess people in general keep choosing to lock themselves in, by using Google and Apple...

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I really wish that the Firefox phone had gained more support

KaiOS 4.x just dropped with Fx 128 I think. You will be on an underpowered flip phone, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing…

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

Unfortunately there's a lot(!) to do to make Linux enjoyable on a phone. I bought a Pinephone some years ago. And in addition to the slow hardware, the entire software/desktop experience isn't great. While everyone else has instant messengers, Linux doesn't have connected standby and emails and messages just don't arrive unless the screen is on. It wastes quite some power, and there are a bazillion small little quirks and annoyances and it's barely usable if compared to a regular smartphone. I think someone needs to invest quite some more time and money until this becomes a thing. I mean don't get me wrong, Linux and the low-level system is awesome. And it's brilliant on any server/laptop/desktop computer. It's just that there's so many things missing for a proper phone experience. And it's not just mildly inconvenient, but like people expect instant messages to be delivered...

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[–] balder1993@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’ve been thinking about this and I wonder if Linux can have more success if we have pocket computers that gradually add phone functions instead of trying to have phone hardware work with a system that isn’t made for phone-like experience in general.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

How could that be a more successful approach when people aren't already carrying pocket computers as they are phones?

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