In the thread they give their reasons and they are believeable. If you don't want to use what's offered SWAP IT. The default is for gen pop who want a useful phone with no threat model other than wanting less google. If you want something else then use that stop raging that is is somehow totally out of order how dare they. Its childish.

Oh nice! Now anyone can frame me for any crime, using AI generated videos!

Ok, the openAI thing is not great. However...

they advertise themselves as degoogled, but instead let you connect to Google/Microsoft/etc services

What the fuck are you talking about? Degoogled doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to connect to Google services. It just mean that it doesn't require Google services to function and that the default configuration shouldn't include any Google services. If the end user actively wants to use google/microsoft/etc services then they should be able to. It seems as though you are advocating for an open source operating system to lock itself down from allowing the end user to use certain features, which is against the FOSS ethos. Remember, "free" as in "freedom."

Watching from the sidelines as a LOS ROM user, I'm disappointed by the replies from the devs. From mischaracterizing surprise, anger and generally negative feedback as positive praise to completely ignoring the two main asks of the community. For me, there are other red flags, but I'll leave it alone.

Ego seems to be coming into play here, and the repeated references to GrapheneOS seem to reinforce that. Handwaving new and unique criticism as if it is a continuation of an older conflict is pretty poor form.

The basic issue as I see it (as a non-user of their platform) is to market your OS the way they do while also adding this feature without notice or explanation. Their claim that they want to stay relevant and include popular features is a straw man. There are other ways to implement it, and other ways to introduce it to the community. But that's not relevant. Their explanation could be used to justify abandoning their stated objective of anti-big tech in any/all ways. Saying people want big corporate tech features is weak and obviously not in parity with the stated mission of privacy-first.

It's not always the poor choices that sink user trust; sometimes it's a tone deaf response or unexplained motives, or opaque financial incentive structure.

Sometimes it's all of the above. This seems to be one of those cases.

Ty @Luffy879 for sharing.

E: spelling

GrapheneOS is fucking king a for a reason. The main dev was a cunt but he wasn't wrong.

Peoples need to learn to see through PR, good or bad, and focus on specs.

It seems after years of bullshit PR, we can safely say that GrapheneOS thesis stood the test of time.

Google took notice and now fighting us.

send the DB entries of your Downvotes on a Thumb drive (or anything else from SSD to 3.5 inchHDD, depending on your preferences), and shove it up your rectum.

Do not threaten them with a good time