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GrapheneOS is fucking king a for a reason. The main dev was a cunt but he wasn't wrong.
Peoples need to learn to see through PR, good or bad, and focus on specs.
It seems after years of bullshit PR, we can safely say that GrapheneOS thesis stood the test of time.
Google took notice and now fighting us.
The main dev didn't want to eat shit from the Teclore, CalyxOS team and Futo, so they bullied him to silence.
Wait FUTO bullied the maun dev as well? That's a shame
Luis Rossman got into with the main dev... At the time it seemed like Luis was right
However due what happened recently with calyx guy and how him and Luis have business connection.
I am reconsidering what actually happened back then.
GOS dev is socially inept but he was right from technical perspective and looks like he was bullied. So the lashing out might have been justified.
But like I said, maybe it it is time for us to look at substance over form. Shiti PR has been weaponized against peasant class.
Elites will literally tell you what you want to hear on tv while robbing you and the normies larp that propaganda as if they came up within.
With that being futo makes good product too
But graphene is clearly superior to CalyxOS
I'm kind of out of the loop for everything outside of knowing about Grephene's existence. Is there a TL;DR or summary somewhere of what all happened? What was he right about?
Which was a lie. He kept using GrapheneOS for a long time after that. Even though targeted updates aren't possible he left his video up with that disinformation anyway.
He didn't have to. All he needed to do was make people think the lead developer was crazy and that the OS isn't trustworthy. His video has negatively affected GrapheneOS for sure. Still does considering comments like these...
and these.
Me being a GrapheneOS moderator doesn't change things. I'm a random person on the internet who was interested in the project and helped out in the community before joining the moderation team. All of the Rossmann stuff happened before I was a moderator.
I'm a GrapheneOS user and I am a member of the team. If I ever saw anything I had a problem with, I'd jump ship. All people I've met that are involved with the project are smart and dedicated. None of them are "lunatics".
But since my affiliation with the project makes you think this way, I feel it's only fair to point out that from where I'm standing I'm the one who's being reasonable here. You're the one who seems to have an odd, unwavering support for Rossmann or maybe an odd unwavering dislike for GrapheneOS. What are your affiliations? Why are you defending Rossmann's harassment? Why are you using such over the top charged language about our team, such as calling us lunatics?
No tldr... I am just going off my memory as a shit poster
But to address your core request.
The degoogle privacy community has a running arguement regarding what's the best way to degoogle for privacy
Currently there are two options microg which spoofs GPS but still does some connections ie calyxOs approach among other RPMs
OR
Sandboxed GPS ie GrapheneOS approach. Where you just run the apps but gos limits what gps can track. You do need a Google account but it is easy to get a dummy.
As side note the best is gos with NO sandboxed gps but realistically normies joining the movement need GPS capabilities.
Either one is better than normie phone but if you care about privacy AND security, gos is king.
The improvements they made to android even gets upstreamed by Google creeps.
CalyxOS development is spotty. Obviously I support them two, extra options are good and they cover more phones.
Gos only does pixel, which is problematic but that's just what can be done currently.
Minor nit: you don't need a Google account even with GPS. I have sandboxed GPS without an account and use aurora store for things I can't get via obtanium/F-droid.
This used to work for me but then they started forcing the play store too and account which then required an account. So I just stopped using GPS all together.
But thank you for pointing just goes to show experience can be different and people should play around for their set up.
For me now it is an ideological battle. Fuck Google
I didn't want gps either but too many apps I rely on need it. Soooo took the path of least resistance in that case with a non logged in GPS on GrapheneOS. Its a shame it's tradeoffs all the time with things like this
Ah I see, thanks! It's really sad that ROM hardware support is so limited these days. I'd really love to run Graphene on S25 hardware :(
LineageOS covers a lot of devices but I can NOT recommend in good faith as a personal phone decide.
It is made in some weird development mode and can't lock the bootloader.
Both of these make very insecure if you lose physical control. It is a decent degoogle.
Sammy is going anti ROM and will prevent people from unlocking Bootloader going forward it seems.
On personal level, I would advise against focusing on hard ware. I used to be a hardware whore myself. But in 2025 privacy/security should be the defining factor in cell phone decision. I can't think of anything more personal.
This is the BEST write up I have ever seen on the topic. Had no idea it was out there and explained a lot about the inner workings for security I wasn't expecting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/n7yo7u/a_discussion_about_bootloader_lockingunlocking/
Well, my previous statement was kinda misleading. Louis Rossman made ~2 vids about Micay being a dick to him and using autism as an excuse for his behaviour.
Rossman has joint financial interest with calyx guy who is now leaving calyx.
There is more to that story IMHO
Yep, if it wasn't obvious before, it is now.
Much respect for Luis on his other work but yeah, something funky here
I just dived into that rabbit hole, heres what I could understand until now:
Theres this Business guy, who owns/Controls much of the Calyx Infrastructure.
When Copperhead, a for Profit Company tried to buy up Graphene, the Calyx Guy was (according to Graphene Mastodon team) very prominent and they tried to pressure them into buying it up
Now it backfired for Calyx as the Business guy did a
On the team, and now they have to change all the Infrastructure and Keys in order to make their workflow secure again
Louis has a Telecom Company with that dude as co-founder, apparently according to some legal document
Also, very many other OSs have a Problem with Graphene, as they want to be the next Private ROM, but they just wont put in the Time to do anything more then fork Linaege and add their own Propriatery stuff (looking at you, Iode), so they very often try to make alligations against Graphene, only to be completely wrong
Tbh, I just dont get ROMs, just because you cant beat Graphene dosent mean that everyone needs the kind of Security Graphene gives you. Just dont fuck up, no matter how hard it apparently is.
iodéOS has never made allegations against GrapheneOS. You are spreading so much conspiracy disinformation in this thread, it's crazy you haven't been called out more for it.
that's not what that comment said, learn to read.