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A portrait of Confederate general Robert E Lee that includes a slave guiding his horse is set to be reinstated in the Pentagon.

The 20-foot-tall painting, which was on display at the United States Military Academy for 70 years, will be hung in the West Point library under President Trump’s instruction despite a congressionally mandated commission that ordered its removal back in 2020.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 179 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I posted this fairly recent, but I think it bears repeating:

I think the case of "southern gentleman" Robert E. Lee shows the horrors of slavery. He inherited people as property from his father-in-law and refused to free them according to the will. They escaped his plantation under the understanding that they were legally emancipated:

Lee's more strict expectations and harsher punishments of the slaves on Arlington plantation nearly led to a revolt, since many of the enslaved people had been given to understand that they were to be made free as soon as Custis died, and protested angrily at the delay. In May 1858, Lee wrote to his son Rooney, "I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders, & said they were as free as I was, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them."

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Wesley Norris himself spoke out about the incident after the war, in an 1866 interview printed in an abolitionist newspaper, the National Anti-Slavery Standard. Norris said that after they had been captured, and forced to return to Arlington, Lee told them that "he would teach us a lesson we would not soon forget". According to Norris, Lee had the overseer tie the three of them firmly to posts, and ordered them whipped: 50 lashes for the men and 20 for Mary Norris. Norris claimed that Lee encouraged the whipping, and that when the overseer refused to do it, called in the county constable to do it instead. Unlike the anonymous letter writers, he does not state that Lee himself whipped any of the enslaved people. According to Norris, Lee "frequently enjoined [Constable] Williams to 'lay it on well', an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done."

He was too cruel for a professional slave driver to carry out his order, so he had to get a cop to do it.

This is why reactionaries love revisionist monuments while destroying other memorials like the Pulse massacre's: they want to rewrite history to make it so they don't look like villains.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Little wonder he’s a Republican sweetheart. A piece of shit with shit all around him and loving the smell like roses.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

The MAGAs don't even try to hide it. When DeSatan was announcing his "Anti-Woke"standards in Florida schools, he flat out said he didn't want white kids learning things that would make them ashamed to be white. It may be the most racist thing I've ever heard come out of of a politicians mouth. He didn't bother to code his language AT ALL.

I grew up a standard-issue white kid, and learned all about slavery and the Native American genocide, and it never made me "ashamed" to be white. Those things were horrible, but I didn't do them, and I would never participate in such actions, and that's the point. It isn't about shaming whites for their history, it's educating them properly so they don't go down that path again.

Obviously, we didn't learn that lesson well enough in school, so we're slipping back. This is the problem with not having Federal educational standards, and letting individual states prepare their own curriculums. Across 50 states, some will do it properly, but some will take the opportunity to compromise their vulnerable young students and feed them racist propaganda instead of a real education, and indoctrinate them into racist ideology.

IF we can take our country back from the MAGA Nazis, we need to crack down HARD on anyone who insists that we keep the same educational structure that allows bad-faith states to use education as an excuse to indoctrinate. Just like we forced states to abide by Federal voting laws (until the MAGA SCOTUS ended it), we need to force intransigent states to educate their children properly. If they won't do it, the responsibility will be removed, and handled by the Federal government.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 99 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

“Under this administration, we honor our history and learn from it — we don’t erase it.”

Well, that sounds good. So then to learn from history you'll be wanting to do a little Critical Race Theory right? You'll want people to know the history of LGBTQ+ oppression and the fight for gay and trans rights? You'll be wanting to promote Black History, the history of the civil rights movement, and indigenous history, since they were erased for so long, right?

Or could it be that this is more white supremacist doublespeak?

Or you know, it's a lie. As they change the names of anything that has the word "Gay" in it, even if it was someone's name, or a gay civil rights leader a ship was named after

[–] null@piefed.au 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Under this administration, we honor our history and learn from it — we don’t erase it.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Taking down a portrait is not erasing history, it's merely refusing to celebrate particular people or behaviors that the entire world finds abhorrent in 2025.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The same dipshits pretended that people were learning history from statues. Instead of what those statues were actually for, and that was as a gigantic fuck you to Blacks, liberals, and the United States and a celebration of the Confederate traitor losers.

[–] turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

well, apparently not the entire world

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

It's all lies. They didn't believe what they say, they're doing it to make their racist as shit supporters feel like they win someone, while they rob them blind and destroy their rights behind their backs.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Well they learned from it alright...what to do differently this time.

[–] mokus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 week ago

Celebrating treason and human ownership, that tracks 🤬

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 42 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] Sundiata@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

black trump supporters look extra fucking stupid right now.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"those kids would be so mad if they could ~~read~~ pay attention to current events". Jpeg

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Granted. You found the super Nazi.

(Real talk, I didn't mean for it to come out like that. But your response is funny AF.)

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

This should be seen for what it is: the latest in a series of “boiling the frog” escalations on totally rewriting the history of black people in this country.

[–] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The portrait was originally removed by Act of Congress. Military staff who reinstated the portrait are following an illegal order.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago

Sure doesn't sound like "Defending the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic" to me, but what do I know.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well yes but actually no. There is this silly little thing called Article II Section 3:

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Meaning it is up to the president of the united states of America to see laws be faithfully executed or not, and in this case he chose not and gave the order to do this. This would be a huge fucking deal, and a blatant misinterpretation of the laws, if half the courts in the land weren't pro-fascism and already agreed he could do this when he froze medicaid funding earlier this year.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what they mean when they say "make America great again".

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If this is America, I want it to die.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I just smoke a lot of weed about it

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Should have burned it while we had the chance.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I keep saying it over and over again. 160 years later, the confederates won.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, they just haven't been properly crushed. We won't make that mistake the next time.

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why? Should we also put up some Benedict Arnold art? Suck his dick a little too?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

At least Benedict Arnold was an American war hero at one time. He deserves it way more than Lee does.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago
[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Lee was against post war Confederate monuments and he was a traitor to the USA.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The next time we get to take it down, burn it on the White House lawn. Melt down all those Confederate statues, too. Turn them all into statues of MLK, and erect them in the same places. Fuck those Traitors.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. "But muh history!", history doesn't require works of adulation to evil men be preserved physically to learn from them. Do they think paintings and statues of Hitler are just stored away at the back of museums in Germany? That shit is long destroyed by the allies at the end of the war. There were far too many efforts made to appease the southern states at the end of the war, and you can trace a solid line between those failures and many issues faced now.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And this is what it was all about, people.

All the BS about "maga" and other baby-talk words are just noise - it's about the RACISM and the butthurt that someone might point out that racism is a bad thing...telling others they might be racists is the real crime and the real hatefulness, in the conservative view.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We are watching the winners rewrite history right in front of our eyes. This is worse then 1984. We need to make sure we can undo all this bullshit. And burn this fucking painting.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They are the losers. Sherman stopped too soon

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

This is the equivalent of Germany reinstalling portraits of Hitler

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if the next move is going to be ending the 150+ year tradition of the Navy always having a ship named Kearsarge in commission. The original USS Kearsarge fought a famous Civil War battle against the Confederate raider CSS Alabama, sinking her off the coast of France. Since that time the Navy has always had a Kearsarge in commission, presumably as a giant "fuck you" to the South.

As a side note, the US Navy named all of its battleships after states, except for one that was named Kearsarge as part of this tradition. It's always bothered me that there was this one exception to an otherwise-perfect naming convention, which I why I support having Puerto Rico become a state - with the proviso that they change their name to "Kearsarge".

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They will when trump sees you posting about it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Up until now, this was just history, so you know that no MAGA is aware of it. None of them know how to read, and if it wasn't on Fox News, they've never heard of it. Somebody is bound to tell them now.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

Next they may want to hang pictures of Rommel, Manstein, Kettle or Guderian, who - just like Lee - were defeated enemy generals.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

The child rapist who was Epstein's best friend for nearly two decades did whattttt?

[–] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Appeasement is the US's millstone around the neck.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Andrew Johnson was a scummy Confederate sympathizer, so he tossed out most of Lincoln's plans for Reconstruction, which would have changed the trajectory of race relations significantly. Instead, we ended up with a century of Jim Crow.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Grant was almost perfect but he picked the worst possible cabinet until Trump.

[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

cheers to the generation for whom The Pentagon is a memory, maybe your world will be freer

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Do not forget.

[–] Daggity@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

The government of Rhodesian’s, the confederacy, and the Nazis.

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