this post was submitted on 29 Aug 2025
327 points (97.9% liked)

Privacy

41550 readers
1067 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I've gotten a new phone and setting it up for the past few days - a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches. Sure, whatever.

I have been VERY adamant about pressing "No" on all prompts, that try to get me to try something out or use some dumb service. I do not want any AI tool or similar to go through my files.

Yet, while perousing the depths of my system settings, I realized Google Photos was using a suspicous amount of storage. Somehow, it had "synchronized" ALL my locally saved pictures - this included pictures of my vacations, my drivers license, private pictures I would have rather not shared, and so on...

And while checking the Google Photos App for the damage done, obviously it had already automatically generated "previews" and "albums" for me, neatly organized.

IT HAD AUTOMATICALLY ANALYSED MY DRIVERS LICENSE AND SAVED IT INTO AN ALBUM CALLED "Identity-related"

How the fuck is this legal? I am so mad at myself right now. I'm usually so fuckin cautious about denying any sort of pop-up and setting all settings as strictly as possible.

So obviously I just had to spent 2 hours figuring out how to turn this "synchronization" off, and how to delete all photos in google photos - spoiler alert: There is no "Delete All" button. You have to manually select every single fucking image.

Sorry for the rant, I hope it's not too off-topic. I'm just so mad right now.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Yes, this happens. Even if you turn off all the syncing etc, they will shoot an update and all your settings will revert to default. This has happened with my father's phone a lot.

And even if you keep all these settings off, they are still scanning all photos to check for CSAM.

I highly recommend deGoogling your phone. If you cannot install a custom ROM, check out Universal Android Debloater. There are many sources for degoogling your life. Check out c/degoogle on Lemmy (I forgot the instance name, just search for it). ~~Or if you want we have small group on Signal for deGoogling related talks, DM me and I can share the link to join. (Signal does require a phone number to register, but since usernames are a thing your phone number will not be available publicly.)~~ That group link is disabled, but I can share other group links like Linux and FOSS, or other privacy related groups.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There not even checking for CSAM

That would be near impossIble considering the tech. Even on a normal portrait is hard to judge the age on. Let alone fotos with more complex perspectives and only some body parts visible.

What they are doing is using hashes of specific real pictures that the police know are commonly shared.

Theoretically it could catch some careless content consuming offenders. The worst offenders, that produce new material, are beyond the scope.

But also, obvious what google gets is just the hashcodes and not the actual pics. If the police gave google a hash to target for pics of vances bald head or (trans-positive) memes who would know?

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

There was a news some time ago, that a man was arrested for clicking nude pictures of children, later it was found out that he was sending pictures of his child to a doctor for diagnosis. How did that happen?

I'll link the source if I find it.

Update:

NYTimes - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

Paywall removed - https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men.

They are literally too big to care.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

False positives are a thing. They do scan all your photos for csam. Poorly.

We know this because of the article during the pandemic when a dude sent a photo of his son's dick to a doctor (it had an infection and the doctor asked to see it). Dude lost access to his entire google account. Lost everything. Emails, files, everything. It wasn't a hash.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I appreciate your comment, replying here for reference, perhaps I'd like to join that signal channel. Being staunchly anti-google I feel I'm on top of things, but my Gmail is used across many of my logins. With the scanning for CSAM issue, many people don't realize that Google installs a hidden app called safetycore, for me it gets reinstalled on every update.

https://allthings.how/what-is-android-system-safetycore-and-why-did-it-appear-on-your-phone-2/

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Not against your will, you accepted this and more in the TOS of your account. But you can avoid it in the permission settings in your phone.

The second biggest lie in Internet: "I've read the Privacy Policies and Terms of Service" the first one "We respect the privacy of the user".

https://neal.fun/dark-patterns/

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago

Same thing happened to me, and there is a delete all button. Go to Google photos > top right profile pic > backup is off (or whatever it says when it's on) > top right gear > undo backup for this device.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Ya. I'm sorry for you.

Problem is, even if you delete the Images, Google has already scraped them for info on you and used your Google account and phone number to tie it all together to further its data aggregation profile on you.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Use /e/OS officially supported on fair phone 5

[–] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

/e/OS is a good option to regain privacy from Google, but arguably does some things worse in terms of security than stock.

You can find a good comparison here.

For the Fairphone 5, I'd recommend CalyxOS as soon as they're back from their hiatus. In the meantime, might as well stick with stock.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 15 points 1 week ago

Event like this is what got me radicalized

[–] tradingcronjobsforsmack@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry. There's really no way to undo this. Grieving and and moving on is the only option, and I am not being sarcastic. If my privacy was violated like that by google, I would be very upset and would grieve. Even if you complain, they won't remove it from AI training or whatever they intend to do, even if they lie and say they will. Librem 5's have no google in them if you want to switch to something else. FuriLabs also make a Debian smartphone.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you disable Google photos storage access you don't even have a camera roll :/

That's how embedded the damn thing is

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 week ago

You don't really need a camera roll. Just use your normal gallery after taking pics.

You can disable Google Photos outright. No need to play with permissions.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago

It's kinda a pain to use 'cause so many apps rely on Google services, so those need to be replaced with alternatives, but e/OS is installable and is supported by Fairphone

https://community.e.foundation/t/install-e-os-v2-on-fairphone-5-my-little-guide/58260

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Email their data protection officer and the government. They may get fined hundreds of millions of dollars for this

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You must be new around here lol

Exactly. Luigi #2 is the only way to even temporarily stop this.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lol. Yeah and trump will get prosecuted for raping minors.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

google photos goes omnom

[–] Eternal192@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Have some dic pics that were uploaded that i sent to my gf when we started dating and i'm glad i didn't delete them because now they have to look at my junk every time they decide to go snooping around where they shouldn't.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Tundra@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

install e/os:

https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5

or:

CalyxOS releases are paused, but when they are back: https://calyxos.org/

[–] RealM__@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

e/os is most likely my next step, especially with Google disabling installing "unverified" third-party apps in 2026.

Bought a FP5 with e/os in mind as a possible upgrade path, I just was too worried to immediately do the full jump.

[–] whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Yes, I've installed e/os on my fairphone 5 and it just works. I even got my banking apps to work.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago
[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Check out Aves Libre on F-Droid

I had to ditch Google Photos app because of my paranoia, about this exact same thing that happened to you.

load more comments (11 replies)
[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches

If you have a Fairphone then you can escape Google, Fairphones are one of the few phones that support third party ROMs. If they weren't so expensive I would buy one myself.

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/FP5/

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you were using Photos as a photo roll app you need to stay angry at yourself a while longer. That's on you when you should know you cannot trust the G. Don't grant an app permissions to photos and videos that could sync it to the cloud. And as another precaution, don't keep sensitive pictures in the DCIM folder. If I have to take pictures of sensitive documents like that I disable WiFi (sync set up on WiFi only), take the picture, move it to a folder that's never backed up elsewhere on my phone, and then turn WiFi back on.

You are not normal because you care about these things. The normal user doesn't care and that's who they are catering for. I'm not excusing their behavior (I don't like it either) and at the same time you need to be more on your toes.

I'm planning to move to Ente this year when my Google cloud subscription runs out. Not looking forward to the work it entails but to the [paints face blue] FREEDOM!

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Faschist company with a faschist government. Stop asking for legal, take control, go Open Source.

[–] GlenRambo@jlai.lu 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sorry for your shitty situation.

Try this. No root needed. I'm pretty much google free on FP5 (and others).

https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater

Removes most google apps and services.

Also try not to ever sign into google on your phone directly. Use Aurora Store, DAVX, Thunderbird etc.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I disabled the gallery and downloaded a different one.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I got sick of GP when they announced AI learning on user photos (or actually that's just the last straw). I use a combination of these two apps now:

https://f-droid.org/packages/org.fossify.gallery/

https://f-droid.org/packages/io.ente.photos.fdroid/

[–] infjarchninja@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

I feel for you.

training ai on your photo's without even asking. wankers

I have just copied my elderly friends 2000 photos from google photos to my desktop, then deleted all of them from her phone. Had to do it with my browser, they only allow you to delete 30 photos at a time on the phone. tossers.

Installed droid-ify, installed lawnchair, fossify gallery, fossify messages, fossify contacts. perfect.

imported her photos back on to her phone:

Intentionally painful but its done.

bring on ADB, I have deleted everything with a G in it.

first one: I wrote a simple little bash script for these:

adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.android.chrome

okgoogle, xgoogle, Gmail, calender, Calendar Sync, videos, googlequicksearchbox, youtube, music, Google Contacts Sync, googleassistant, Google Digital Well Being App, Google Duo, Google Pay, google photos and Google Drive with adb so its doesnt happen again.

This poor women is 84, WTF does she know about modern tech, google are tossers

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I would get rid of fairphone rom and install another rom:

unlock your bootloader. easy guide from Fairphone.

https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10492476238865-How-to-unlock-and-re-lock-the-bootloader

then install lineage or E/os custom rom

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/FP5/

https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

that's why i straight up delete proprietary corporate apps now whenever possible, even if i don't use them.

they WILL do what they want unprompted, then make it difficult to undo.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was gonna say something about postmarketOS, but it's not ready yet. Mobian is also not ready for it either.

So next best option if you really wanna get rid of this type of stuff is either rooting your device to remove what you don't need or flashing something like GrapheneOS or a different OS.

But I'd consider that a last resort if you already have everything set up just right and have things you don't wanna lose and can't backup easily. That, and if it's a work related device, you're screwed.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where's the article to this story?

[–] RealM__@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's no article - this is something that happened to me personally, today. I needed an outlet and wanted some advice what to do about this, and I'm really happy about the responses I've gotten.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, but you're just screaming into an ephemeral void.

You could actually make google pay for this if you wrote an article about this on substack and then linked to it here.

Google has already paid over a billion dollars for GDPR violations. They do change their behavior as a result of such reporting and legal consequences.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Op should deff fight back but let's temper the expectations here... Realistically nothing will happen.

But yes it should be documented

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Libb@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

I own an Android phone, for a single app I need to have access to. It's a Redmi something. I could not find a way to just uninstall their own 'Gallery' app nor the Google Photos app so I removed their access to any file. I hope this is enough but I don't know that.

I thought Android was all about choice (against iOS, which is my default phone) but this was not very convincing. I may have missed a way to easily uninstall any app, though? I would like to replace them with f-droid alternative apps so there won't be any risk they access the little data I've stored on that phone.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That all sounds like on-device behavior. You didn't say anything about it actually being uploaded.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I use Adguard and block Google photos from connecting to the internet.

Features like edit video still work, so I'm good. If editing didn't work, I'd disable it.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›