what a waste of money.
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I dunno I think an article about the specific guns the guard members are carrying is a little less important than the fact that the guard should NOT BE THERE AT ALL. Every siren that exists should be going off and yet NBC and the rest just don’t give a fuck, they’re like happy about it
Hopefully not that trigger happy Sig 9mm. That fucker is killing more troops than any recent conflict. Blowing dudes balls off.
Sooner or later a flag will be raise with a infamous logo on it in the capital.
I get why they used assault style if they're semi automatic.
Do I agree? No
It's a semi automatic assault rifle not a semi automatic assault style rifle
Well ofc... The state doesn't violently control people with nerf guns.
Expecting to use violence to control people in the USA is like expecting to control bears with bear spray.
If Trump thinks he can pull a Tiananmen Square then he's about to find out the tanks can lose.
Locked and loaded?
They are not for civilian hunters
Ohhh, sorry OP. I think M4s are specifically designed for civilian hunters. They seem very useful when hunting them.
(Jokes are my coping mechanism 💜)
The whole thread is mostly on semantics of firearms and their presence. Does it really matter if the National Guard was issued pink polka-dot pogo sticks instead?
It is still a military force present on civilian soil, which is in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act in the way they did it. The Federal government continues to violate its own laws, as well as the Constitution. The core issue of everything going on right now.
Gotta be extremely naive to believe laws are for anybody except the poor, minorities, indigenous, etc.
It's always been more than legal to enforce privilege through violence, planetary destruction, etc.
The whole thread is mostly on semantics of firearms and their presence.
I've found this to be pretty much any article that even tangentially relates to firearms. Gun nuts will never leave semantics and have an actual discussion.
I am amazed at how gun nuts argue whether or not it's semi- or fully automatic. Who cares?! It could still fire at a rapid rate and kill more people in a matter of seconds than matchlocks or knives. And don't get me started with the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" rhetoric. Cars and knives could kill people, sure, but guns are designed specifically to kill living beings.
"It's not a clip, it's a magazine" (or vice versa)
I've increasingly noticed that Lemmy has a LOT of gun nuts. The "Kids who grew up playing call of duty and want to make like Swayze and scream 'wildcats'" crowd make sense since that is an increasing number of progressives and internet leftists.
But I've increasingly noticed the other flavor of "moderate" who are rabidly guns' rights activists but who also are adamant that nobody is allowed to criticize the military and doing so is going to let the fascists win. And... I am increasingly noticing them coming from the sh.itjust.works instance. This thread used to be crossposted to their /c/conservative? Not sure if it still is and I just don't understand UIs. And yesterday their /c/politics mod went batshit insane over people not standing for the pledge or whatever and was banning anyone who wouldn't tell (let's be real) him what state they live in.
Never noticed anything too bad from them in the past but they are rapidly getting to dot ml levels of crazy and might even reach dot hexbear if this keeps up.
The internet has a lot of gun nuts, and they are scared of everything.
What is a weapon for, if not to allay fear?
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I mean, the majority of guns are for shooting and killing human beings. That’s pretty much what they were invented for.
The difference is if they get a SAW or other crew served weapons, unlike the assault rifle the fully automatic machine gun is designed to kill hundred+ of people at once and the closer together they are the more that will get hit. That's a qualitatively different kind of gun.
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Under the rules of engagement, deadly force is authorized only “upon reasonable belief of an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm,” one of the defense officials said.
So, they strip you of your constitution rights and if you show anything other than submissiveness, that will be enough for them to feel threatened.
That's all police in a nutshell.
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If I'm not mistaken, the M17 is military name for the SIG P320... the one that likes to go bang whenever it feels like it, regardless of what the person holding (or not holding) it wants.
That's fine... This is fine.
P320 is M17, shorter barrel is named M18. I suspect that just like USAF, the NGs use mostly M18 which were cleared from possible malfunctions except that they wear down from use too quickly for heavy use.
These guys play military two days a month. I sincerely doubt they've checked every single pistol for malfunction. There's a chance they didn't even hear about the airman.
Oh I personally still wouldn‘t touch that pistol, but what choice do NGs have? Let‘s hope noone gets hurt
I don't care what weapons they have, they ARE NOT TO BE USED AGAINST AMERICANS. The constitution is very clear on this, but the administration hates the constitution. Plain and simple these troops being sent out are illegal orders and hopefully the servicemen and women obey their oath to the constitution and do not report for duty.
Yeah. Hopefully these brainwashed children are extra brainwashed but the "right way", the lib way. Surely they'll worship the holy document more than the holy man... \s
Don't worry,, he'll make sure all the shot people stop being citizens after the fact.
Can someone explain to me who these people are? What were they doing before they've been ordered to DC? Are they a standing army, training while they're not ordered somewhere? Or are they reservists? Or police from elsewhere?
The National Guard are the remnants of the militias that the US used to depend on and that the second amendment was actually about. The idea of civilians with military training who can be raised in times of great need and... what many (most?) Global North countries have as their default.
Many of them are former active duty military (e.g. The Army) who wanted to keep pulling an extra paycheck and benefits after becoming civilians. Others are just dumbasses who got tricked by the "Just spend two weekends out of the year training and you too can have an ice sword that kills dragons" nonsense.
Their actual role is... questionable. Sometimes they get pulled in to help with natural disasters but they have no meaningful training outside of holding guns to scare people and maybe building sandbag walls. According to a climbing buddy who had to interface with them back during Hurricane Katrina... they actively made everything worse and got in the way constantly and she had to unofficially allocate resources to protect the Guard that could have otherwise been spent helping rescue those in need. But, Support The Troops(TM) and all that. Back in uni, they were the jackboots who were called out any time people "rioted" (theoretically because a sports team lost or it was Spring Break. Mostly because kids started protesting) and their job was to look intimidating and bully/beat on anyone who was out past curfew.
A not insignificant number were also sent to Iraq/Afghanistan when the US Military realized they couldn't keep stop-lossing everyone who was dumb enough to sign up for the Military proper.
In their day to day civilian life? They are basically just normal people. Some work in tech, others food service, and MANY are small town cops because that also lets them carry a gun. The key unifying factor is they all will act like they are heroic veterans who killed fiddy men and make damned sure to flaunt their military credentials to board planes faster or to get a discount at the hardware store.
Like a lot of things modern military, it is worth looking at the Invasion of Ukraine. The professional soldiers (former standing military and PMCs from around the world) make up the forces that actually take ground or are deployed for operations where skill and discipline are needed. The civilian population that were conscripted and given a gun man the trenches because all that is really needed there are bodies to send bullets down range and soak up the ones coming back at them.
The National Guard are very much the latter.
That's not correct at all in regards to your last paragraph. NG is on average older and much more experienced than an average infantry 18 year old with no deployments.
Basically reservists, the National Guard is brought up under control of the states/feds for emergencies/disasters. Generally you'd see them building flood levees or rescuing people in hurricanes or (occasionally) shooting college students in the '70s. They're not really designed for peace time occupation but the admin's gotta find jack boots somewhere.
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