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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/36378173

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 138 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The more impressive thing is that they managed to get the Nvidia upgrade to be backwards compatible with existing Framework 16 models.

That's the push I need to really, truly believe they're committed to the goal of upgradablity. Too many "modular" products have come out where the "upgraded" modules were only available if you bought the newest version of the base product.

In the next year or so, I'll probably be buying a new laptop, and this has convinced me that Framework is probably the way to go.

[–] AliasVortex@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I've been rocking a Framework 16 for about a year now and would happily recommend it. It's a bit more upfront, but I love knowing that I can fix or replace just about anything on it (pretty affordably too). It's just so refreshing to not have to worry about dumb shit like an obscure power adapter or port forcing my laptop into an early retirement.

It's not the lightest laptop I've ever had, but realistically not all that much different from my last gaming laptop. Now that I'm not a full time student anymore I could probably get away with one of the smaller models, but the form factor is pretty nice.

Overall, no major complaints!

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

i’ve had a framework 13 from a time before there was any other type of framework, and it’s a great laptop honestly. ive yet to do big upgrades, but just being able to repair it myself is awesome. one time i dented the chassis around where the power button was. no worries, just changed the input cover and bam 5 minutes later it’s like new.

my only complaint is that the battery life is atrocious. i heard it’s better (but still not great) on newer models tho

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[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The only downside I have seen is that GSYNC will not work. The newer display supports it, put anyone upgrading an older Framework 16 with the new NVIDIA card will have to buy the screen upgrade as well if they need GSYNC.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not unexpected. Variable refresh rate (GSYNC and Freesync) has always needed the display to support it first.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago (20 children)

I’d prefer an AMD 9000 series because I refuse to support Nvidia, but the upgradability is still an amazing achievement. I’m glad to see Framework delivering.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It could help if AMD still manufactured discrete mobile GPUs.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Their website still lists RX 7000M & S series, but I don't know of a single *other *laptop brand that currently offers them. There is certainly is no hint of a 9000 series mobile GPU, which is a shame. I probably won't buy another laptop until AMD is back in the mobile GPU game. Not that they're perfect, but they are significantly less evil than NVidia.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most people don't need them. The gaming and workstation laptop market is smaller than ever. The integrated graphics has been "good enough" for a while now.

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's it, every other gaming laptop is finished. Even though I have the older CPU I can get the newest GPUs now. Nobody can claim that right now. No other company is doing this.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The other laptops arent finished yet. Framework is super expensive , even compared to other gaming laptops.
I think its worth it, but thats not the opinion of a lot of casual people.
And had i not gotten one via my job, i would not have gotten a framework 16 because of the price

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Well, the idea is that you can upgrade components without replacing everything, so the initial cost is higher but the long term cost is lower.

That said, they took their time. The 1st generation is old now. The Radeon dGPU is probably weaker or on a similar level than the new Ryzen iGPU. There is no Radeon dGPU upgrade path other than "just use the old one". They have a better upgrade cadence with the 13 inch model.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now if only Framework did that with AMD & Intel GPUs, then we'd all be balling.

Also please make it available in the East

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They've had AMD for a few years now. No Intel one, but they do sell empty GPU module shells, so maybe someone could cut down a desktop Intel card to fit in one?

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Now if I could only afford a Framework.......

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[–] any1th3r3@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And still no OLED screen... why Framework, why?

I got one of the latest Framework 13 a couple months ago for work, and while I'm happy about the prospects of future repairability and upgradability down the line, it's not a great laptop given its pricepoint.
The build is subpar, with the screen flexing a ton, the keyboard and trackpad are lacklustre and pretty uncomfortable, but the worst is the screen, it's dim, with poor colour reproduction and 3:2 is frankly not for me. And fractional scaling is a mess with XWayland, while it was much better on my 2019 XPS 13.

I love what Framework are pushing for and actually achieving, but tradeoffs are very much at play. I'm hoping for an OLED screen replacement in the near future though.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The good thing: You will probably be able to swap it once they make it available.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I've yet to use an OLED monitor that didn't make text look shitty and I've used $1000+ OLED displays with high ratings.

Don't get me wrong, OLED colors and blacks are gorgeous. I love OLED.

Even my Samsung Pro whatever latest laptop with an OLED display...the text just looks off. Which was disappointing because my Samsung phone text is fine.

LG C2/3/4, also gross looking text.

Alienware OLED $750+ monitor? Text was bad.

I love OLED but I've yet to find one that works for productivity.

[–] firebingo@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Almost all OLED displays use a different pixel layout than traditional LCD displays. And sub pixel font rendering is designed for the standard LCD layout. Depending on your OS you may be able to configure the font rendering to look better on most OLEDs. But some people are just more sensitive to this as a problem.

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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren't phone screens AMOLED? I'm definitely not an expert, but I thought it was a variation of OLED, which would explain why text looks better.

That being said, I also have an OLED Steam Deck and I can read text on it just fine if the scaling is set correctly in the game or just browsing the web normally in desktop mode.

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[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (9 children)

So what's the hivemind consensus fellow lemmings, framework or thinkpad? My brain says lenovo but my heart says

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is no Thinkpad as repairable as the framework and if they are (they're not) the price is out of reach for individuals since the p51 with LPCAMM2 targets enterprise costumers.

Your brain is wrong on this one. Follow your heart

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

Thinkpads are not what they once were. I finally gave up on them, moved over to a Framework, and haven't regretted it.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

Just picked up my first Framework 13. Moves like this are why I'm increasingly trusting of their mission and vision.

Hopefully they stay private, or better yet, change their corporate charter into a cooperative. Never go public.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

*caresses screen*

some day...

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

FFS I was just about to buy myself one and now I'm obviously gonna have to wait until November

Oh, wait, I can just upgrade it. Nbd.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So I'm going to be skeptical here. I had an older 9xx MSI laptop that was touted as replaceable and "upgradable" GPU for the next generation at the time.

That ended up as a big ol' whoops, because replacement screwed with thermals and found that you couldn't actually upgrade because of all kinds of reasons and resulted in a class action suit.

Just color me skeptical on these types of things.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Framework has been pretty consistent on upgradability. You can even put the newest MOBOs/CPUs in the oldest laptops since they kept the formfactor identical. They sell such mobos on their website.

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[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since the cooling system is self contained in the module, you shouldn't have that issue.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

damn son, those lappies aint cheap

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Still waaay too expensive :(

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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

OK I’m a bit confused. I have a Framework 16” that I bought earlier this year, without the GPU extension bay. I don’t care that much about the expansion bay as without it, the laptop is already huge. I have an eGPU to play on when I need it.

What upgrade options does this announcement offer to me?

I’m dissatisfied with:

  • the webcam
  • screen colors / brightness
  • key stability on the keyboard (the keys are a bit wobbly)
  • speaker sound quality (I’m not expecting the best, but something better than what it shipped with)

They are announcing a new webcam, will it be backwards compatible ?

Otherwise I’m really happy with it, I absolutely love the modular I/O, being able to swap which side the audio jack is is amazing. happy to support this endeavor of repairability

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