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cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/24787719

Starting next year, Google will begin to verify the identities of developers distributing their apps on Android devices, not just those who distribute via the Play Store.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My blood glucose monitor is not on the play store. So one dy next year I'll wake up and no longer be able to get that data...?

[–] Peter_Arbeitsloser@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry, your survival is incompatible with this version of Android.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are probably half-joking, but.... yeah.

I fucking hate this timeline. Actually, scratch that, that is way to placid and abstract.

I hate the assholes in charge. Fuck all of them. Luigi did nothing wrong.

[–] Peter_Arbeitsloser@feddit.org 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah sorry, I feel you. Things like these make me really cynical.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The terrible risk that you install apps which don't use google-tagmanager, googleanalytics and don't send logging and user data to Alphabet.

[–] rickywithanm@aussie.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

Won’t someone think of the ~~children~~ shareholders

[–] toneburst@lemmy.4d2.org 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems Google has been tightening control over Android in recent years and this looks like the next major step. Most people probably won’t care and the only realistic option for users who value software freedom and privacy is to wait until Linux or another free and open-source OS becomes a viable alternative. Overall a disappointing turn of events for the mobile computing space

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

FairPhone with /e/OS by default is the EU answer by the e-Foundation

[–] mapu@slrpnk.net 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They're closing in on alternative ROMs with their fucking shitty device integrity checks, I'm afraid it's only getting worse. I literally had to switch back to stock Android because none of the e-government apps of the country I live in NOR two out of my three banks work on /e/. Literally impossible to participate in society unless I sell my soul to Google, sadly.

I really hope we're able to fight back and win the war.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That's sad, and so backwards...

If they really wanted to make sure the data on the phone is safe, the integrity checks should be about making sure the phone is built from FOSS with available source code, that can be publicly audited and even the banks themselves could check it for security.. which should actually rule Google services out, not the other way around!

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[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/

Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.

Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:

I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.

[–] root@aussie.zone 3 points 15 hours ago

Why does every interesting / unique phone have to be phablet sized. ;(

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

With a microSD slot and a 3.5mm jack, too. I'm just gonna go ahead and save this

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 8 points 23 hours ago

Yawn. Guess more people will just have to not install gapps..

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck off. This is my last android phone

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What would you get instead? I think if Google actually follows through with this, I'll switch to LineageOS, which is still Android. Obviously, iOS is much worse on this front.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Honestly, I don't know. I'll find something. Let the recommendations begin!

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There's no alternative that won't have major limitations. I predict it'll just be more like going back to the days of jailbreaking to install unsigned apps. Unfortunately AOSP is already pretty much unusable without Google services installed for the vast majority of apps.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I'll thank you to not rain and piss facts on my moody parade. Just leave an irrationally cranky old man his delusions. Lol

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[–] xcjs@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My personal favorite is how they are doing it to prevent data theft and malware. All they have ever done is trick people out of data. All of their shitty apps that I can not remove from my Samsung phone ARE the malware I do not want. Fuck Google and every person that works there!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Time to fund /e/OS GraoheneOS etc but also bridges like Waydroid until we can use e.g. PmOS and avoid Android altogether.

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[–] Balldowern@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

So I guess my next phone will be a Chinese phone. Even if it spies on me, I'll have the freedom to install whatever I want from anywhere.

The Chinese have a golden window of opportunity. Let's hope they don't mess this up.

[–] doctortofu@piefed.social 68 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And, just like that, no more modded apps, no more custom stores, everything is tightly under control unless you install a custom ROM (and then it's no more banking apps,etc.). And it's all for our own good, after all, big brother Google knows what's best for us!

[–] DerdWurst@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

I just use the web browser instead of a banking app.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Some banking apps do work so it would be helpful not to spread that misconception.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 4 points 21 hours ago

My (major Canadian) Bank app (TD) has always just worked, no matter the state of my bootloader or root, and I've never bothered with Magisk Hide or anything like that to try to dodge root checks.

[–] 2deck@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True. Also, most banks offer a web interface.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 21 hours ago

For now... :(

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Requirement of authentication apps is making it trickier too. If you want to go to a concert or sporting event vended by ticketmaster, you're fucked outside of Android and iOS.

Clocking into jobs increasingly requires Android or iOS.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes, there used to be papers for "coordinate systems" you could use as 2FA, and SMS one-time-passwords.. but they are slowly being rolled out in the EU due to security concerns and the "Strong Customer Authentication (SCA)" standards mandated by PSD2. EU banks are transitioning to app-based and biometric authentication now... here you literally need a phone if you want any form of online banking.

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What the actual fuck, Google‽

I swear to Hephaestus, at this point I'm considering switching to UBPorts or Sailfish OS or something...

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[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While I won't tell people exactly what to search, I can guarantee that I can find malware first try on Google Play. Google Play Integrity is just as dodgy.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

shit like this really should be illegal

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

yup, they are closing in. i wonder why the surveillance wing of the fascist regime wants to control everyone's digital life that more tightly.

you guys may have the power to protest this before it goes worldwide. i wonder if there will be real pushback.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wish we lived in a world where open source was funded even at a single percentage of what this oligopoly pulls in each year. We'd have a viable alternative to the duopoly by now.

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