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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/30989415

Texas lawmakers trying to muzzle campus protests have just passed one of the most ridiculous anti-speech laws in the country. If signed by Gov. Greg Abbott, Senate Bill 2972 would ban speech at night — from study groups to newspaper reporting — at public universities in the state.

Ironically, the bill builds on a previous law passed in 2019 meant to enshrine free speech on Texas campuses. But now, lawmakers want to crack down on college students’ pro-Palestinian protests so badly that they literally passed a prohibition on talking.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 196 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

SB 2972 would require public universities in Texas to adopt policies prohibiting “engaging in expressive activities on campus between the hours of 10 p.m. and 8 a.m.” Expressive activity includes “any speech or expressive conduct” protected by the First Amendment or Texas Constitution.

Let's do the same thing with the second amendment and see how that goes over in Texas. "You have the right to bear arms, but not when you should be in bed...."

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 137 points 1 week ago (5 children)

How does a law explicitly interfering with first amendment rights not get immediately struck down as unconstitutional? Limiting free speech is not even an unintended theoretical side effect of the bill; it's the expressed purpose.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It still has to be passed before it can make it's way through the courts to strike it down. And then it depends on the clearly partisan judges in Texas.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The politicians who write these laws should be fined for wasting the taxpayers' money.

[–] chonkyninja@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No they should be imprisoned for 90 days, second offense 2 years, 3rd offense 10 years, with no way to appeal.

[–] KnightontheSun@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Immediately stripped of office for dereliction of duty to the American people. That's the first step. Fines or jail after, scaled appropriately to the attempted damage they're trying to cause.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The funny thing is, it was not explicitly clear at the time of the founding whether things like the First Amendment applied to States at all. After all, the Constitution applied to the Federal Government, and States had their own government....

.... Until after the Civil War, when the 14th amendment was ratified. You might be familiar with the 14th Amendment as it is the one that guarantees birthright citizenship. Well, that's just it's first sentence. The second sentence also guarantees all citizens the rights enumerated in the Constitution, making it clear that the States cannot abridge those rights.

But right now, the plain language of the 14th Amendment is under attack by Conservatives who claim that it all of a sudden does not cover people born here whose parents are not citizens. So as long as today's Conservatives will ignore one part of the 14th Amendment, why not ignore the rest and hope a captured SCOTUS makes it all hunky-dory after the fact!

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If that part of the 14th doesn't apply, then logically none of the people in the former Confederate states are US Citizens.

Pretty sure they don't want that.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Oh they'll figure out some tortured logic to make sure they get the outcome they want while screwing over people they hate.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This made me curious about what the Texas state constitution had for an equivalent to the 2nd amendment. Some states have their own, and strictly speaking, the federal second amendment wasn't officially imposed on the states until 2010. (Yes, that does mean that states without their own constitutional restriction could have regulated guns as much as they wanted within their boarders.)

Texas does have one, and its an interesting case.

Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence [sic] of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. (Feb. 15, 1876.)

Which is interesting because it has an explicit out for regulating carrying of firearms that the federal constitution does not. Doesn't really matter now that the 2nd amendment is incorporated to the states, but the fact is that Texas would have expressly allowed certain regulations on firearms.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

so a censorship curfew. Anyone who thinks about going to universities in texas, Dont, also the public ones seems to bending over backwards for trump anyways, especially a&M WHICH also hosted musks unsanctioned brain chip research

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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 113 points 1 week ago (3 children)

" a similar policy at Indiana University that required prior approval for protests on campus occurring between 11:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m"

Kinda off topic but I think we need a different word for this kind of "protest". If you're gathering at a place chosen by the people you're protesting against, at a time chosen by the people you're protesting against, you aren't protesting. You're having a protest-roleplaying picnic

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 week ago

It's the "free speech zones" of the Dubya days all over again 😮‍💨

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

*terms and conditions apply.

[–] EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okaaaay...we'll just do it in the daytime, where more people can witness it and more people can join us ✌️😂

GOP Congressmen are weak, ineffectual, inverse virtue signalers. We can't let them just hang around like the Confederates did after the Civil War, which is a big part of why we're back here again.

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[–] West_of_West@piefed.social 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Y'all are speedrunning that antifreedom thing eh?

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd say that this is such a clear violation of the 1st amendment that it would be struck down quicker than Trump on a PDF File candidate but with all things given....

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Take it all the way to the SCOTUS. Make them take a stand.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do they expect people to get a degree if you cant stay up all night in a lab bashing 3 heads at a problem?

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like many laws, it will be enforced only against speech they don't like. If you make it so that everyone is breaking laws at all times, you can target anyone you want with impunity while letting your friends run free.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

or skin colors they don't like

[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

or generally, anyone they don't like

"It's legal if we like it." -- GOP, probably.

[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What an absolute madness

" The overnight ban on expressive activities is unfathomably broad. Off the top of our heads, here are just a few examples of what such a policy would prohibit on campus between 10 p.m. to 8 a.m.: Meeting with other students to socialize or study, writing an email, working on a research paper, posting on social media, reporting for the student newspaper, wearing a T-shirt with a slogan, dancing, playing music, painting a picture, or praying at a sunrise service. "

I can hear them hurrying with a text that prevents any sort of protest, they came up with this.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So basically sleeping and silently staring at the walls will be the nightlife options at Texas universities.

What is this, BYU?

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Update: This article was published on June 5. Since then, Gov. Greg Abbott has signed Senate Bill 2972 into law. It will take effect Sept. 1.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wow. So they actually went through with the lunacy 🤦

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[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Texans should exercise their second amendment in order to protect their first. Kill traitors to the Constitution.

Technically we have more campus carry rights than 1st amendment rights now

[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not even developing countries have such bullshit campus "laws", WTF is this shit?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's called a fascist dictatorship. I don't think people realize that we're deep in this now. It's no longer nascent, "Ur-Fascism" as Eco described. This is full-on.

It's terrifying how many people appear to not be aware that this is even happening.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sounds like it violates a couple of amendments, there.

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[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Free speech hours, what the actual fuck? Are the GOP alien lizards that need quiet time at night?

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[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

If and when you're allowed to speak, you may speak freely. It's just that you're not allowed to speak. Rather than limiting 'freedom of speech' it's limiting 'speech'. So that's alright.

/s

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Republican Free Speech(tm)*

*terms and conditions apply

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

10 p.m. to 8 a.m seems like a terrible time to protest

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[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago

Another day another Texass lesson in stupidity.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

zionism is just flatly incompatible with American free speech. There will be a backlash to this overreach and I wouldnt want to be a zionist when it happens.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That ASL Elective is about to fill up.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

Sign language is still speech.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People in Texas go to college? You'd assume otherwise due to their abundance of grunting mammalians they call residents.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Texas has one or two schools that are generally considered to be pretty good. Maybe people just move away after they graduate? I've thought about getting a masters degree from a school in Austin but it's for software and would be online only.

Also, fuck Texas.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This would not have flied in the catholic college I attended for two years. Heck it would have reduced academic performance. A whole lot of group study happens after 10pm. Some folks I know its the only time they studied snoozing through out the day between classes.

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