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[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Forgot where I read because it's been years ago, but someone said that humans should be blessed being born human and not as sheep, as sheep can be led anywhere without question including for slaughter.

Has the sheep made any plans for this resistance? Have they made any preparations for it? Formed any organizations? No? They just expected all the other sheep to suddenly form themselves into an army, do all the work themselves, and then praise the guy who said "we should mount a resistance" as a great visionary hero?

The second sheep is right. That isn't the time to say "we should mount a resistance". It's the time to actually resist using whatever means you have available. Of course, that would take actual effort and sacrifice, so they'll just march to the slaughter wondering why the revolution never came.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 62 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No one is coming to save you, my friends. Strength, as always, lies in community building.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 15 points 2 days ago

Also better written: “my friends: Strengthen yourselves together, you can achieve miracles when you bond.”

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 62 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

1000101576 The arrival and processing of an entire transport of Jews from Carpatho-Ruthenia, a region annexed in 1939 to Hungary from Czechoslovakia, at Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp in Poland, in May of 1944. The picture was donated to Yad Vashem in 1980 by Lili Jacob.

To be fair some did try but there was surprisingly little resistance, most people just submitting to their "fate"

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To be fair some did try but there was surprisingly little resistance

I mean, you can see this to some degree in cities like LA or Chicago or even Houston. Collective resistance efforts happen. You can - and people occasionally do - throw rocks or fire guns or even just fling their sandwiches at the occupying paramilitary.

But much like with the occupation of Iraq or Afghanistan or the capture of Syria or the bombings in Yemen or the invasion of Ukraine or the militarization of far-right governments in Guatamala and El Salvador and Honduras and Argentina, the state can bring a lot more violence against a nascent resistance movement than the movement can repel.

Without an active armed ally - like the French during the American Revolution or the Soviets in Vietnam - a government with the benefit of mass surveillance and air power and armored infantry is very difficult to dislodge.

Just look at Cuba, a country that's been suffering the armed occupation of Guantanamo Bay for 60 years. Or Gaza, for that matter.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If I remember my history correctly, a major point of the gas chambers was that the prisoners were convinced that they had been sent to a labour camp, and were sent into the chambers to shower. By convincing people that they weren't in immediate life threatening danger, it was much easier to control them.

Of course, nobody could even imagine the absolute horror of the Holocaust. If you told me that someone would take hundreds of thousands (millions) of fit, working age people and simply wipe them out, I would have a much easier time believing the other guy that said "no, you're being sent to take a shower before being placed in a labour camp. Life will be hard, but obviously we wouldn't waste resources just killing everyone on the spot."

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course, nobody could even imagine the absolute horror of the Holocaust.

The Armenians could. As could the Nambians. As could the residents of Nanjing, China and Gando, Korea.

But these mass murders were so chronically under-reported - even deliberately suppressed - in media controlled by the political opposition and its allies, that it was possible to never know they'd happened much less consider they could happen locally.

I would also note how the Israel assassination of journalists across Gaza and the West Bank has gone a long way towards suppressing the size and scale of their genocide, particularly at the upper reaches of western media. You absolutely can talk to people in DC or London or Berlin who will (either deliberately or out of their own cloistered media consumption habits) not recognize the scale of atrocity.

But even if you could have convinced someone staring into a cattle car in Poland or Austria that this was the beginning of the end, what would you expect this person to do? Surrounded by armed men who were, in turn, surrounded by tanks and supported by bombers, how were they expected to respond?

The countries had already been defeated. Their people had already been broken on the wheel of war. They were civilians without the training, much less the materials, to mount any kind of guerrilla campaign. They had no Che Guevara or Ho Chi Mein or even a Huey P. Newton to rally them. There certainly wasn't a Mao on hand to lead them in a Long March for their survival and eventual return.

They'd put their trust in the established state lords. Those lords had failed. And now there was nothing standing between them and the gas chambers. Feels trite to say they all should have rushed the guards in a mob, when the Charge of the Light Brigade was the last famous incident of such epic folly.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Of course, historically people "could have imagined". I'm talking about seeing this through the eyes of a civilian that is brought off a train wagon and told they are being put in a labour camp. In that situation, I think very few people have it in them to imagine that their captors are organising the largest and most industrialised mass murder in history, and that they won't even make it out of the "showers" alive.

I don't expect them to launch a revolt, but with prisoners outnumbering guards 100:1, I don't think so many would have walked to their execution in orderly files. I think there would have been a lot more kicking and screaming involved if they knew what was coming. Remember that these weren't strangers either: We're talking about whole families and all their friends sitting calmly together on the train and walking willingly into the gas chambers. That only happens if people are lured into thinking this is something other than it is.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apart from a broken spirit, there's also a lot of denial. "This can't be happening. It can't be that bad. It all will be over soon. We'll make it through."

prisoners outnumbering guards 100:1

100 unarmed, malnourished civilians, many of them old, young or female and almost all of them never having killed or even seriously hurt anyone in their lives vs 1 murderous soldier who has already murdered dozens of people today alone, armed with training, guns and fortified positions... It's not a winnable fight. Maybe if you put exactly these 101 people in one room the 100 could stand somewhat of a chance, but that's not what happened here.

Look for example at the referenced Sonderkommando revolt. From what I can find, the Sonderkommando consisted of able-bodied men in somewhat ok condition. They were pretty much the best-suited for a revolt. And still at the end of the revolt, 452 Sonderkommando members were dead and only 3 Nazi soldiers died. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Also, compared to the regular prisoners, the Sonderkommando members actually knew what was going on and that nobody was supposed to make it out of the camp alive. They managed to keep the extermination a secret even inside the camps.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I never said the kicking and screaming would have been successful. I'm just trying to explain why I think so many people went quietly, and pointing out that most people, when faced with the prospect that their entire family, all their friends, and they themselves face imminent death if they do nothing will tend to do something, regardless of whether it's likely to succeed.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Also, keep in mind that there are fates worse than a quick painless death in the gas chambers. And the Nazis very much used those as well.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The time for retreat and insurrection was the day Kraków fell, not the day you stepped out of a prison train.

Go read about the Colditz Castle Prison Break. That involved full units of British POWs collaborating in the waning days of Nazi occupation. And it still failed, getting virtually everyone killed.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I'm not saying they "should have" done anything specific. I'm pointing out that pretty much the only explanation for why they went as quietly as they did was that they didn't know what was coming. People that are knowingly faced with the imminent murder of their family will not typically stand idly and watch.

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[–] Dholi@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

There's a genocide happening in Palestine right now and anyone calling out the terrorist IDF army gets called "antisemetic".

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

It is much easier to accept the situation than to suffer and try to change it. This is how we live even now...

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago

The best time to mount a resistance is years ago. The second best time is today.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 36 points 2 days ago (9 children)

lmao this is dark... And a very good comparison of the world as it is now.

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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Then the sheep mounts a resistance by doing the best it can (killing the farmer or shouting very loudly), see that whatever it has done hasn't changed anything and that nobody is joining or paying attention to it, and then it's an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.

Mounting a resistance is much harder than "just doing something"

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and then it's an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.

Where the sheep was going anyways in the first place. If we go out, why not make the best of it?

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Because if you take this as a metaphor, there's always a worse place to go.

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