Yeah but they take it next level for the DPRK. Like the things they believe about the DPRK are just so OBVIOUSLY lies. Like a lib will walk up to you and with their full chest say, "Hey I heard Kim Jong Un had 7382 children all with different women, and then he made them fight to the death until only the strongest one was left alive." and when you say "Idk about that." They'll be like, "You're just brainwashed."

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago

i wonder when we're going to stop failing this litmus test.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the DPRK is not a real country full of human beings in the liberal imagination, it's Mordor

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Russia is Mordor though. Maybe DPRK is Isengard?

[+] zloubida@sh.itjust.works -7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Both were violent dictatorships. One changed; the other is North Korea.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo

[–] bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

According to whom? The firewall of western media known to despise and slander communism at every turn?

[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world -5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's been A GUY - with an emphasis on the A - in charge of North Korea since it existed. Show me where Marx wrote "and the guy who leads part of a successful-ish military campaign shall rule in absolute power and his office will be inherited by his forst-born son." That sounds like a monarchy.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You should study North Korean politics and political structures.

The standard you are using, which is that there should be constant changes in leadership, is an attempt to use your existing liberal democracy as the only possible model for liberatory politics.

Think about it. Is the ONLY way you would ever accept a political system when it has constant leadership churn? Ok, grant that. Then ask, what causes constant leadership churn?

The answers will be either constant fighting between major ideologically opposed factions OR constant disapproval by the people being governed.

Neither of those conditions are good healthy conditions.

Now instead imagine if there were no competing ideologies, the capitalists have been purged and domestically the entire population has a shares collective trauma from the massive bombing campaign by the psychopathic US.

What's the behavior gonna be? Well, if any leader is capable of leading them out of the caves and to safety from napalm, kidnapping, fire bombing, and famine - that leader is either very lucky and when their luck runs out they will be ousted, or that leader is actually very effective, responsive to the needs of the people, and is capable of adapting to changing times. In that case, the people will have absolutely no desire to put another leader in place.

When that happens, especially in a culture that puts huge importance on multi-generational families, the children of that leader are likely going to be the best equipped to carry in the program. Not necessarily though. They would have to remain constantly engaged, constantly proving that they are capable.

What would that require? It would require a system where by existing leadership cabinets were capable of selecting and assigning those descendants to specific posts. And guess what... That's exactly what DPRK has.

Your insistence that freedom is defined exclusively by multi-party systems that give "equal" voice to capitalist and working class interests is a form of chauvinism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sadly, .worlders can't see grad comments.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago

They don't know what they're missing

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Grrrr

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

You can always make a Lemmy.ml account if you want! I have 3 accounts, 1 on .ml, 1 on Hexbear, and 1 on grad (pretty new though). Easier to compartmentalize.

[–] bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I got u fam lol

[–] bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Re-commenting what @freagle@lemmygrad.ml commented so you can see it since .world seems to love censoring non-liberal instances

You should study North Korean politics and political structures.

The standard you are using, which is that there should be constant changes in leadership, is an attempt to use your existing liberal democracy as the only possible model for liberatory politics.

Think about it. Is the ONLY way you would ever accept a political system when it has constant leadership churn? Ok, grant that. Then ask, what causes constant leadership churn?

The answers will be either constant fighting between major ideologically opposed factions OR constant disapproval by the people being governed.

Neither of those conditions are good healthy conditions.

Now instead imagine if there were no competing ideologies, the capitalists have been purged and domestically the entire population has a shares collective trauma from the massive bombing campaign by the psychopathic US.

What’s the behavior gonna be? Well, if any leader is capable of leading them out of the caves and to safety from napalm, kidnapping, fire bombing, and famine - that leader is either very lucky and when their luck runs out they will be ousted, or that leader is actually very effective, responsive to the needs of the people, and is capable of adapting to changing times. In that case, the people will have absolutely no desire to put another leader in place.

When that happens, especially in a culture that puts huge importance on multi-generational families, the children of that leader are likely going to be the best equipped to carry in the program. Not necessarily though. They would have to remain constantly engaged, constantly proving that they are capable.

What would that require? It would require a system where by existing leadership cabinets were capable of selecting and assigning those descendants to specific posts. And guess what… That’s exactly what DPRK has.

Your insistence that freedom is defined exclusively by multi-party systems that give “equal” voice to capitalist and working class interests is a form of chauvinism.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

Thanks for reposting. The commenter appears to be a member of the semi-conscious liberation army.

[+] Havald@lemmy.world -7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

the capitalists have been purged

Ah yes, purging opposing political ideologies. What a healthy society that must be

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

If their ideology says that innocent people deserve to starve and sleep in the street because money then yes actually their absence from a society would be an extremely obviously good thing

[–] iceagec0mmie@lemmy.org 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yes, n*zis should get capped bc of their political ideologies. you should try taking the boot out of your mouth before speaking.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Nazis don't have political beliefs, they have hate and violence. Big difference

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago

"Capitalist" is a class, not an ideology, you're mixing it up with liberalism. Secondly, yes, just like we should suppress fascism, monarchism, etc, a socialist society should also suppress liberalism.