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[–] todotoro@midwest.social 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I am a container evangelist, I find excuses to convert my jobs into Kubernetes workloads, and I frequently use the likes of podman for one off apps/processes and development. I use Flatpak frequently to isolate dependencies for the likes of Steam and Heroic.

I really wanted to like Bazzite or Bluefin, but I can't deal with the overhead from the rpm os-tree updates. I would frequently notice hitches for my use case (sunshine streaming), and the hoops I had to do to configure Nvidia drivers (for it to then not work as good as other distros) was tiresome.

I went back to Arch (EndeavourOS), and I improved sunshine performance and had a driver that worked with less fiddling.

I'm saying all this because, while I'm glad to see any Linux distro grow, I hope it starts delivering what it says on the tin eventually without compromises that I experienced. Markering on it being immutable and container focused is true, but I dont see the benefit (aside from more stability which as others pointed out, is already stable is most cases)?. Right now, its a simple to configure (assuming most defaults work for your setup) distro that is finding a growing niche amongst some users (obviously by the data shown). And thats good enough for now at least.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The removal of KDE Discover has me considering going back to plain Kinoite on my HTPC. I figure I can build a sysext with the handful of bazzite bits I actually use and keep the unbutchered plasma experience

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Would you be willing to say more about what you know / experienced about the removal of Discover? Preferences included? I only noticed it recently, been away from things for a bit, and you sound like your brief info would probably be at least as fruitful as the reading I was gonna look for :)

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

the ublue project / bazzite decided to make their own flatpak first app store called Bazaar. Fair enough its their distro. However they created it with GTK4/Adwaita libraries, so its a Gnome native app and looks completely ugly on a KDE Plasma desktop. Also as a flatpak first app store it doesn't update anything else on your machine like what discover is capable of (cant update ostree, knew stuff etc). This means you have to use the ujust terminal app to access updates, which I dont agree with.

I think technically you could layer it back in with rpm-ostree install kdediscover - however this pulls back a couple of hundred meg of plasma dependencies, which if you're not aware, when you update your system would be redownloaded and reinstalled with each new ostree snapshot, slowing down the update process even further. I I tried doing it as a sysext (myrepo) but it ~~keeps segfaulting and I havent worked out the issue~~ edit: I have fixed the segfault issue and readded the ostree backend. Sysexts are new experienmental alternative to package layering which hold a lot of potential (check out tim ravier's development of them here https://travier.github.io/fedora-sysexts/)

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

You don't use the terminal to do updates, updates are automatic by default.

We also completely removed discovers ability to update OSTree. It's never been present in a single build of Bazzite.

This is why I don't pay attention to people that complain about toolkits. You don't like the way it looks so you make up absolutely disingenuous points to argue about it.

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

There's a toggle for the store in ujust command iirc

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Only on Aurora, we don't ship that.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago
[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I couldnt see one - I also dont want to layer it, because it will pull in a couple of hundred megs of kde dependencies every time you update. I tried doing it as a sysext (myrepo) but it keeps segfaulting and I havent worked out the issue

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sysexts are something I've been meaning to get in to. Have you had much success in general with them?

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 2 points 5 days ago

Yes I use Kinoite as my work machine and I've used Tim Ravier's sysext repo for adding libvirtd, distrobox, wireshark and vscode to that machine. I also authored my own that adds nmap, iperf, telnet, screen and a few other command line tools I make use of at work. I find this easier than juggling toolboxes for it

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

I had been using Aurora-dx, but I also like to play games, so I re-based to Bazzite-dx when it became available.

[–] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Call me a Luddite, but I want to retain control over my updates and upgrades. I fear the day that Fedora becomes all atomic, all the time, which I can't help but think is in the cards

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What's stopping you from turning updates off?

Then what would be the point of using an atomic version?

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