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[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

“Since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion, western countries — under the threat of withholding loans — have imposed unacceptable control over Ukraine’s state institutions, state-owned banks, and monopolies, undermining the country’s sovereignty. This is cruel and unjust toward a nation at war,” she said during an interview at the offices of her party, Batkivshchyna, or Fatherland.

fell-for-it-again same person that got backstabbed by President Yushchenko aka Mr. "Declare-Bandera-a-national-hero-with-single-digit-approval-days-before-losing-reelection"

The westerners, who include a senior official at the UK’s National Audit Office, are able to vote together to veto potential appointees [advisory groups that select candidates for appointment to Ukraine’s Constitutional Court, High Council of Justice, State Customs Service, State Bureau of Investigation and its Accounting Chamber, as well as anti-corruption agencies] and their votes carry more weight than the Ukrainian experts in the event of a tie. As a rule, there are six members in the commissions — three foreigners and three Ukrainians. Such international oversight, Tymoshenko said, may have been appropriate in countries such as Afghanistan, Liberia and Sierra Leone, but not in Ukraine.

us-foreign-policy

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I thought Ukrainians loved Bandera?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

Most Ukrainians aren't fascist freaks, there's just a big faction of them that seized control of the state's violent apparatus in 2014.

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It has been in flux for many years and then a lot after the full-scale war began in 2022.

Before:

A survey by the Democratic Initiative Foundation in April 2021 found that one out of three Ukrainians, 32%, considered Bandera's acts as positive, and just as many took the opposite view.

After:

In April [2022], researchers from the Rating group, a Ukrainian research organization, found that 74% of Ukrainians now view [Stepan Bandera] favorably.

Source: https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-ukrainian-hero-or-nazi-collaborator/a-61842720

My guess is that it's part successful propaganda by the Ukrainian government, part a knee-jerk reaction to Russian hostility towards him.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

First monument to Bandera was erected in iirc 1998, it's not a knnejerk, it's part of the US program of supporting neonazis in former eastern bloc countries.

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Western Ukraine moment. What you said is true, there's no disagreement here. What I meant to say is that outside of Western Ukraine, few people were buying into the rehabilitation campaign because they had no interest in a crusade against Russia that would just rock the boat. Foreign propaganda campaigns only work if the populace is interested in the narrative.

Then the invasion/SMO happened "anyway" in their eyes and people went: "Maybe the nationalists talking about Russia as an existential threat were right after all". I called it "knee-jerk" because it's grounded in little other than "Russia bad, Ukraine good". This is my explanation for the sudden surge between the 2021 and 2022 polls.

Domestic efforts with support or tolerance from Western governments have engineered the parameters of political debate since 1991, that's of course undeniable. I'm just a little wary of chalking it all up to Western interference as it makes the average Ukrainian sound like a gullible dupe without agency.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 days ago

“Do not tell us that Ukrainians can die for peace in Europe, but are somehow unfit to govern their own country,” she said. “Our western friends had no right to expect that, at one of the most difficult moments in our nation’s history, Ukraine should repay aid or loans with its sovereignty.”

Her critics say that such comments are almost identical to those made by Putin, who has cited international vetting of Ukraine’s state institutions as “evidence” that the country is a western puppet state that poses an existential threat to Moscow.

The critics have a .world account? "Hey tankie you sound just like Putin."

[–] PastaCannon@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, she was one of the "small handful of people" he spoke about. He even had her jailed, fully deservedly.

[–] PastaCannon@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

The first time I read this I laughed so much. Freedom house?! Really? You can’t make this shit up if you try.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They said I would continue to be free when they put the shackles on me and waved a carrot for me to follow, but after a few years have passed I'm starting to think I might not be that free after all

fell-for-it-again

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Me chasing the carrot: oh, shit, this whips, I can't wait to eat this fucking carrot

Me colliding with the stick: the FUCK?!!!!