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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's surprising, but also give it a couple weeks.

Edit: Turns out this includes Palestinian Israelis (Israeli Palestinians? This is hard), which explains things.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

We don't know why the people opposed that.

Last time Israelis settled in Gaza they gave it up 20 years ago, as the resistance made it too costly to maintain. By now a significant number of Israelis will know some IDF member who was killed or permanently injured when invading Gaza and the prospect of having hundreds of thousands of young men and women permanently lacking in the economy as they patrol Gaza, is not that enticing for many.

I strongly doubt that humanitarian considerations have played a relevant role for most of the "pure" Israeli respondents. We have seen many polls over the past two years and before, where Palestinians have been completely dehumanized by the Israeli society and the public discourse only has grown more genocidal as the time moved on.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s surprising

Why do you think that?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because Israelis tend to believe the most heinous shit (look up Tel Aviv University Peace Index, shit's fucked up), so I had expected a pretty comfortable majority to support annexing Gaza. But now that I checked the article, this poll includes Palestine Israelis, so with that in mind it's within expectations; if you subtract like 15% from the supporting camp to account for Palestinians you'll probably get a narrow supporting majority.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Tel Aviv University Peace Index

Yes I've read several of their reports a whule bacj. Most Israelis (particularly Jewish ones but also many Arab Israelis) and Gazans are very pessimistic about the prospects for peace, tied to not believing the other side to be trustworthy, particularly since Oct. 7.

believe the most heinous shit

You'll have to elaborate on that, because you're (A) generalizing to a very large group with very diverse views & opinions and (B) rather vague.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 17 hours ago

You'll have to elaborate on that, because you're (A) generalizing to a very large group with very diverse views & opinions and (B) rather vague.

Okay. I'll be working off the latest report here, dated July 2025. A 60%+ majority of Jewish Israelis:

  • Oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state.
  • Support "Voluntary" Palestinian immigration from Gaza.
  • Believe that the number of Palestinian casualties in the so-called war is justified.

In addition, slimmer majorities:

  • Oppose peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.
  • Support full Israeli security control in post-war Gaza.
  • Support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza by military means.
  • Support Israel Katz's proposal to relocate all Gazans to a tent camp in Rafah and only allow them to leave for other countries.

I believe I've made my case already, but also note that these all have 7-15% don't know answers, which is fucked up in its own right but also means that if you only count the people with an opinion on the subject you get even worse numbers.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Looks like liberal Zionists are trying to sanitize the reputation of their genocidal colony.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But it's palestinian the occupied who should disarm according to the west and major arab countries. The irony

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because in Israeli society, the given goal was getting rid of hamas, which is generally supported by pretty much everyone, unless you're a moron. Annexing gaza was not in initial plans, so..this is just logic. Israel is going too far and not even Israelis themselves support what IDF is doing or wants to do, generally of course, as there are always extremists on all fronts

Then again, I'm just brainstorming, trying to connect the dots

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The west bank shows that destroying khamas is just some bs israeli use to justify occupation.

after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurrion

The plan was always taking control of all Palestine surely but slowly, that's why honest Zionists talk about Judea and samaria which was destroyed centuries ago

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 22 hours ago

That's why I said "do we believe them?"