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The company is Access Industries and the Founder and Owner is Leonard Blavatnik

Along with what's in the title, he is accused of reputation laundering against Ukraine and has been personally sanctioned by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He was also part of a WhatsApp group involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "changing the narrative" in favour of Israel and "helping win the war" against Gaza.

Everything is in the linked Wikipedia article about him, mostly under the "Controversies and disputes" part.

I switched to Deezer after seeing it recommended as a better Spotify alternative here on Lemmy, but after finding all this I immediately stopped using it. It's as bad as the shit Spotify does and has done IMO. I'm not here to recommend or push an alternative, but if I can give info on what I use now if someone asks.

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[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (7 children)

None of the online music streamers are ethical. Every single one, to varying degrees, robs the artists and enriches their CEO's and shareholders.

Do the ethical thing.

Don't use them, and instead, use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter and steal the music.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Bandcamp is pretty good, though. Especially on Bandcamp Fridays where all the profits go to the artists. Plus, I like getting FLACs.

[–] citizensongbird@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Problem with Bandcamp is they got bought out, first by Epic Games and then by Songtradr, and each time it's gone through enshittification. Bandcamp Fridays used to be a weekly thing but got changed to quarterly with little announcement, and then half their staff got laid off to pad the bottom line. Even with all that they're better than the alternatives, but they're still on a decaying trajectory.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Are you under the impression that this will pay any artist anything?

It's fine to take a pro-piracy stance, but pretending that you're doing it out of concern for the artists is grade A-bullshit.

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[–] bigb@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Go a step further and use something like Deemix to grab FLAC files from their servers

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Guess how much money the artists get when you do that?

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[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I dunno, Qobuz seems pretty fucking solid, and still allows for purchasing your music directly in FLAC and other formats. What drama is there about them?

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a fan I kinda view the music business this way

  • Your music brings me in
  • You make money off selling ads on your videos and content and platforms
  • You make money selling merch
  • You make money doing shows
  • You MIGHT make a little streaming, but it won't be much

That's how I see it.

I saw a documentary one, and one artist said: back in the days, you made shows to sell your music (vinyl, later CDs), but now you make music to go on tour and make shows.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

you guys need to understand that there are no goodguy rich folk

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Fuck streaming. Pirate all the things!

[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Libraries have a ton of CDs too... even newer ones.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Yep, but only local artists, this is why I buy CDs when I travel internationally.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's how I know my money doesn't end on fifhty hands!

I just wish more artists had like a direct donation address (or do some direct sales on their website), without absolutely any intermediates, so I could pay them for their work. But I'd rather not pay anything that pay most of my money to undeserving people.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Bandcamp should be used by more musicians.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Any way to get recommendations while pirating?

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

YSK he's ukrainian and has since decades lived in the west, US/Shitrael.
He's a jewish zionist POS.
So he's a western oligarch, but don't let facts keep you from blaming 'the Russians'

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

YSK that he grew up in Yaroslavl, Russia to Russian-speaking Jewish parents. Calling him "Ukrainian" just because he was born in Odesa during the Soviet Union is misleading. He had/has close ties to the Russian state and became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.

So yes, you can blame "the Russians", but you should rather blame the system.

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[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Please just tell me that Qobuz is fine. My last straw before going back to piracy.

[–] GroupNebula563@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

@Lanske@lemmy.world: Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Get Tidal instead

Or better yet buy directly from the artist

I don't understand the mental gymnastics some people do to reach the conclusion that piracy is the "ethical thing" to do. What about the artists? How is that any better for us? If you all pirate then we go from getting peanuts to getting nothing.

In fact, piracy sort of birthed streaming in the first place. There were Limewire and Napster, then streaming platforms came along to basically legalize piracy... Hell, the Spotify CEO used to be the CEO of uTorrent

People used to upload pirated music to YouTube. So you know what happened? YouTube came up with their song detection system that now pays artists when their track is streamed, even if it was uploaded by someone else. Even if it plays in the background of a vlog. See what I mean? Legalized piracy.

PS: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Tidal is ok, its american though and they suck.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I switched to Deezer because I found reasons why all of the others were unethical. What would you suggest for a streaming service whose services are ethical?

[–] weaselsrippedmyflesh@lemmy.pt 8 points 6 days ago

I would personally suggest Qobuz, as it is demonstrably the service that pays artists the most and has multiple tiers of lossless audio options. The next best thing would be to buy from artists directly, whenever possible (maybe even physical media, if you have a good sound system for that).

People here advocating for piracy sound cute, but I wonder how actual musicians would feel about that.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Pirate everything. Pay directly to artists only when they allow you to do so (like direct sales on their website). If they don't allow you to make money go to them without also paying pigs then don't pay them at all.

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

i wish people would understand that copyright and the entire existing economic system built around art are all intended to oppress the little guy.

i think getting a grip on what you just said here is probably the first sort of real step in that direction for people.

can’t even count the number of times i’ve had someone respond to me with some variation of “oh so you don’t care about the artists’ WORK/LABOR/BALLS then, do you??” as some sort of accusation because i said something negative about copyright… when that’s not remotely the case - for me it’s based in a sentiment very similar to this ethos here regarding piracy. to me, the brain dead people rabidly defending a system where leeches can MitM artists and their clients are the ones who don’t care about artists or their work.

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[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I literally switched from Spotify yesterday…

Everyone says bandcamp is a good alternative but the main added value from streaming services, for me, is discovery. I don’t think I can afford the time to go on bandcamp and download every song I like one by one. I would also be lost when in need to discover new music.

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[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

The Same with Telegram, his fiunder - Nikolai Dutov still lives in Russia and CEO lives in UAE.

[–] TheShadyMoonCat@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Really sad, I can recommend tidal though

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