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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 172 points 1 month ago (4 children)

There's no telling if that hasn't already happened. Europe needs to drop Microsoft ASAP.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Microsoft said this, but this likely applies to AWS and GCP too.

[–] Gumus@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Check out Hetzner, a German cloud provider. Established, reliable and way cheaper than AWS.

I know migrating is nigh impossible for most large apps, but creating a new one on AWS/GCP/Azure is so shortsighted.

More people need to know about alternatives.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hetzner is really trashy though. They seem to suspend or permanently ban folks for no good reason.

https://tenforward.blog/hetzner-considered-hostile-a-psa/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32318524

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn, they really go the extra mile for a full equivalent to googles offering.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago

Right?? Like some shit doesn't have to be part of the competition..

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hetzner and reliable do not belong in the same sentence.

Cheap yes, reliable no.

I've been using them for my company a lot because of how cheap they are, but compared to other European competitors (like OVH) they are complete garbage. Their pricing is the only redeeming factor.

The Schwartz Group (parent company of Lidl) is currently building a German cloud platform, which sounds a lot more promising.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Lidl Web Services

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 40 points 1 month ago

~~Europe~~ Everyone needs to drop Microsoft ASAP

FTFY

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Canada, too. For the last two years, Canada has entrusted sensitive statistical information to Microsoft. We should be treating MS with the same skepticism we currently reserve for Huawei.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Germany and a handful of other countries have been moving to Linux over the past decade. Betting the rate of uptick speeds up now though.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Anyone wonder where your country's health records about all their citizens are stored? I'm guessing it's all on either MS, AWS, or Google. That means Trump could get access to your medical history.

This is important because of his attacks on LGBTQ people, vaccines, abortion, autism, and who knows what other nonsense he wants to persecute.

And here in Canada the Liberal government is putting forth bill C-2, which opens up even more access to the US to get even records stored in Canada by Canadian companies.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/canadas-bill-c-2-opens-floodgates-us-surveillance

Feel safe yet?

[–] Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am from the Netherlands and work at a hospital, we exclusively use Microsoft software.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Here in Italy all family doctors use Gmail for safety data regularly

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[–] lemonskate@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Only if they aren't using customer provided encryption keys (is using blob/bucket storage) or an equivalent approach to encryption at rest, and make sure they're doing standard TLS for encryption in flight.

It's absolutely possible, and standard for any decent organization, to build their cloud architectures to fully account for the cloud provider potentially accessing your data without authorization. I've personally had such design conversations multiple times.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

In the case of Germany: confidential computing tech ensures all data is encrypted in storage and in memory, shielded even against data center employees / hosting providers. I imagine that's become the standard for most countries.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 month ago (10 children)

So how are American companies any different then Chinese? Everyone always says Chinese companies have to listen to their government. Never got how American companies would be any different.

[–] MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

They're not different at all - the CLOUD Act (2018) and FISA courts already gave the US govt near-complete access to American tech companies' data regarldess of where it's physically stored, we just don't talk about it as much as we do with China.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Can EU please make an open source phone?

We have linux for computers, but we need a "linux" for phones (yes I know Android uses Linux Kernel, I'm talking about like a Libre Non-Google OS)

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[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I thought gdpr forced companies to store data securely in the eu. Are they saying they'll transfer that data to the us to give Trump access, cause that's a gdpr violation and should result in fines and eventual removal from the eu market.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The CLOUD act and GDPR do indeed not work together.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago

The first sentence and the first paragraph of the article:

even if that data is stored overseas

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

and should result in fines

Hahaha should

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[–] comador@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 month ago

My assumption for many years now has been that the answer to any question involving MS giving access to your data is "yes."

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 21 points 1 month ago

I have been saying this for more than a decade. Shit like this is why privacy laws and stuff regarding warrants and other stuff need to be expanded to private entities as much, if not more so, than government agencies. In the past the idea of a company having that much access to people's information was unthinkable, and in almost everyone's mind it was governments we needed to be worried about.

But that hasn't been true since the 90s at least with credit cards being used for most stuff and internet purchases being the norm for almost everything.

Governments in the past needed something to ask for permission to look into you... but companies never did, and since the only thing governments need to do is either buy it or ask nicely it makes many protections kinda moot. The fact that many countries want a strict surveillance state over everyone means even the classic protections we had for a brief while are disappearing, too.

If there ever is a 2nd enlightenment with protections for people it needs to make the stuff written in the 18th and 19th century look like children's toys in comparison.

If you say 'but what about terrorism and bad people?' Look around you. They still exist and still rarely get caught unless they fuck up badly. Most of the time it still due to informants and people talking to authorities. In the US the murder rate resolution is only 50% (and that is just arrested and charged, not convicted) and this is because there is a massive distrust of the police. In other countries people are more likely to assist the police and/or they take their jobs far more seriously in terms of forensics... and on top of that they usually have a far lower murder rate which allows more time and resources to be funneled into solving major crimes.

Better to let 100 guilty men go than 1 innocent person convicted is the usual motto, but they don't believe that in practice. In reality they are very much kill them all and let God sort out his own. And we can't keep allowing that shit to happen.

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the EU doesn't combine forces to get out of this tech-dependency, than what do we have the EU for? I am a big fan the EU, it's doing many things for us already, but I'm really hoping we can work our way out of this together, and I hope we choose the FOSS-route so that we significantly help the world forward

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 20 points 1 month ago

It's weird that this was something that Microsoft would have to admit, considering "The CLOUD Act" has made this mandatory for all US based companies anywhere they operate in the world. This has been a law since 2018.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I mean. They're a USA company. Of course they would be required to follow the laws of the country in which they HQ. Did anyone think anything different?

[–] trismegistos@infosec.pub 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is what data sovereignty is for.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is that news? The CLOUD Act is law since 2018.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm guessing the admits part and of course Trump is the current (quite jutified) bogeyman.

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[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago

So we all agree that "if demanded" ANYONE'S data can be spied on. Doesn't matter where.

At least it's finally admitted to out in the open.

[–] lennee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

suck my arch btw

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

well...... there is self-hosting too

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP, LETS GOOOOOOOO!

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How much you wanna bet they already do and have been doing for years? They already spy on the rest of us, why is this any different?

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

No one is safe anywhere…

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Of course they would. That's why I quit using their software.

[–] kleingartenganove@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As an EU citizen, I don't find the idea of the US government having access to my data nearly as frightening as the idea of my own government getting into my accounts.

[–] Ste41th@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What if the US decided to share info about the data on your accounts to your government?

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[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

lol any EU bureaucrat who thinks otherwise is either a useful idiot or themselves compromised?

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