Don't know who needs to hear this but VPNs are allowed in China and can get around "censorship". In general you can still access information abroad but China is dedicated to having their mass-media not be inflammatory. You can talk about Uighurs on RedNote, but you can't level baseless accusations and expect those to stay up.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because one is public access to the web, the other is a private platform, and not the web. Facebook and Instagram aren’t the web and aren’t open access to the world’s information. It’s like saying your rights are being trampled on if Walmart bans you from their store. You still have access to food.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s like saying your rights are being trampled on if Walmart bans you from their store. You still have access to food.

With the existence of food desserts and Walmart's decades long crusade of monopolization this is less true than you think.

Sure, you can still go buy food, but in many parts of rural US it's now an hour+ trip each way to the gas station and costs 3x as much as you can afford. Meaning in reality you don't.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Right-libertarians don't accept the existence of monopolies.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're making exactly the right-libertarian point the meme mocks.

ancaptain

Explain why you think "private property" should get special privileges.

[+] shiroininja@lemmy.world -7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Because if it’s mine, I can do what I want with it. Did you build it? Contribute anything? It’s only communistic if you actually contribute. People often forget that part of communism. You have to contribute just as much to have a say. Thats why it’s for the WORKERS. So if you aren’t involved, you don’t have a say to my property.

Also, again, your point is moot in the face of my initial comment. The internet is a public utility (Atleast it should be). Facebook is a private one, and isnt yours. You have no right to it if you didn’t contribute

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

This isn't really accurate. Communism is about full, collectivized ownership, not tiny cells of cooperatives. Everyone across society should have equal ownership of production across society. We should certainly work towards sublimating private property and eliminating class, but we shouldn't say that factory A worker A is the only one that has a say about what goes on in factory A, that would go horribly with central planning.

[–] Grerkol@leminal.space 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I love how tech CEOs contribute so much. I mean, they built the internet! Their platforms got so big fair and square, and the free market never creates harmful monopolies. Just vote with your wallet. These freeloaders who think corporations that I OWN (my property) should be controlled or even stolen from me by the general public (lazy ignorant people who do NOTHING for society) piss me off so much!

Anyway, these tankies don't even understand "communism". It's supposed to be when only hard working people like Mark Zuckerberg and I have any say (I mean, I won in the free market, so that makes me the rightful authority). Don't listen to these fools, my fellow entrepeneur. I love you.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I’m not even saying that. Lmao y’all really projected way further. All I’m saying, if you don’t like someone’s product or maintaining of it, don’t use it. The internet and social media silos aren’t the same thing lol

Nobody needs social media. There are a tons of other tools that replace what little functionality they have. They’re just not one click and all your friends aren’t on them.

Their monopoly would be useless if we made it so. Like who gets most of their information from these places when you have the entire web?

Get smarter about your information sources. But maybe I should be nicer, because you could have been born at a time when social media and platforms had become the internet, but for me, it’s always been just a sub block of it.

[–] Grerkol@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m not even saying that

proceeds to explain how to vote with your wallet, how monopolies wouldn't exist if people were smarter and that nobody needs these things anyway

🗽

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

But you act like I worship them or something. I hate them too, I just think they’re not as important as we make them. Facebook shouldn’t be a public utility because it would still be detrimental to society. People don’t need it. But the internet itself, the wires, the protocols are. They should be as public as roads.

But Twitter? What do you do with that? And should we even care about it? I’ve never even had an account for it ever in its existence.

Edit: honestly, I just don’t think the government should have any control or input to information that is available. And big tech shouldn’t be cozy with them, like TikTok, meta, and the trump admin now. That makes them compromised in my eyes.

Also, again, any source of information that consists of an algorithmic feed beyond date sorting is bad for you. Thats every social media silo.

[–] Grerkol@leminal.space 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is just the same kind of libertarian talking points again. Good job that you don't personally like or use Twitter or Facebook, but big tech is always gonna act in the interest of capitalists and try to create monopolies that control information (at least in The West©).

Not sure what sources of information you like, but I guarantee you they're either very obscure, discredited by propaganda or have similar problems to the social media you hate so much. Social media itself also affects what ordinary people can share and what they can communicate with others around the world.

All you're really doing is responding to the guy yankin' your chain by repeating yourself and saying I misrepresent you when I troll you.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good job trolling an autistic person who can’t read another person’s intentions. Big winner there. Like the village champ. Lmao

[–] Grerkol@leminal.space 2 points 6 days ago

I mean... I wasn't trying to mock you as a person, only your politics.

I wasn't being very direct and constructive, but I was trying to address some of what you were saying, albeit in a sarcastic way. I'm sure you don't love Mark Zuckerberg and worship the free market like my caricature though. I tried to make my tone clear, but I appreciate that it's hard online, especially for autistic people.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

If this is Walmart we're talking about then I sure as hell contributed to their success by subsidizing their underpaid employees with food stamps.

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pro tip: English is a left to right language.

[–] jackeroni@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Pro tip: When reading a meme, meme format/template dictates the reading order, not the language

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That seems dumb. It's a northern-hemisphere language; the Moon waxes/wanes right-to-left in the northern hemisphere.