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[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

"A Stanford professor"... Please make sure to attach names specifically for such bullshit views, it seems this is Jonathan Berk, you can only find the cowards name in what looks like footnotes.

Edit: he is by the way Professor of Finance, which makes him and his opinion even more unlikeable. Also got his PhD in 1990! Just to give some context to his idiotic intro here talking about how wondrous it was he got paid for doing a PhD.

Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Berk

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Berk

Tea-drinker slang for "fool". The name fits.

[–] hazl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

Is tea drinking a big enough deal to have its own slang?

[–] liverbe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Another rich kid from South Africa acting like he did it all on his own.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

More like Bonathan Jerk

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Calling them "students" is not helping, the work is often part of their professors' output. Maybe should be called research apprentices/assistants/interns or just PhD candidates.

[–] T3CHT@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

This is the issue with how this whole thing is framed.

Of course the university doesn't owe grad students anything besides an education.

But, being a grad student need not involve any teaching or professor research support. That's labor. It's customary labor that may be exchanged for education, but it is indeed an exchange of value for labor and subject to everything that entails.

Source: got a real grad degree without any of that BS just paid tuition (partially via my employers tuition reimbursement:)

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

You could owe them both in one of the most expensive places in the US to live. Teaching the lower division courses you won’t touch should at least afford rent, groceries, and gas.

Oh and Berk also objects to DEI, how surprising coming from an Apartheid-era relic. He’s just another conservative, tenured piece of shit who likes riling up the student body.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's another South African who grew up in the Apartheid era, and left South Africa around the time Apartheid ended. You can taste the vile Apartheid poison in all his work.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

So a fascist. Not suprising.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

The Stanford University endowment includes real estate and other investments valued at $36.5 billion as of August 31, 2023,[1] and is one of the four largest academic endowments in the United States.[2] The endowment consists of $29.9 billion in a merged pool of assets and $6.6 billion of real estate near the main campus. Along with Stanford's pension assets, working capital, and non-cash gifts, the endowment is managed by Stanford Management Company (SMC), a Stanford-owned investment management company.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University_endowment

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The same Stanford that charges $62k per year in tuition and is located in one of the most expensive areas in the U.S.? Maybe the grad students should commute from Wyoming in order to teach Professor Dickweed's classes for him so they can afford rent? The disconnect from reality is ridiculous.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 month ago

He got his nut, fuck you

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Weird. Here I thought having to work a full time job came at the expense of education. I have coworkers who only take once course per semester, because they literally have no time for more.

Then again, our mistake was being born into the working class. We should’ve tried being born into rich families that could provide for us during school instead.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 month ago

The only solution practically available to peasants: quit being poor 🤡

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's plenty of working class families that have and continue to put their children through college. If you select with respect to cost, it is especially not hard.

That's not to say college isn't incredibly overpriced these days, but 2 year community colleges offer a great budget pathway

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

There's a vast difference between trajectory of life of someone who has graduated 2 years CC vs Stanford

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Ah, you sinned the original sin.

Born broke.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 1 month ago

Parasitic trash has an opinion

[–] bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I finished my Biochem PhD in 2023 and the only way I survived the 6 years of indentured servitude was by working from 2014 to mid 2017 in the pharmaceutical industry. I saved and invested every penny I could, then moved to Pittsburgh where the $23,500 pre tax stipend went a bit further. Also, graduate student in my department were banned from having any other jobs, and yes it was enforced. One of my cohort had got in serious trouble working at the museum and one had minor issues when they picked up a faculty member while driving Uber.

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait, PhD students still pay a tuition?

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

He's arguing that the tuition waiver is their income and they're choosing to spend it in tuition. It's an idiotic argument.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 month ago

Only if they are stupid and/or don't understand what PhD supposed to be doing

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Let him know what you think about it: jbberk@stanford.edu

[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hazing is the reason I decided not to become a doctor or an academic or a frat bro. Well, that and bad grades.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago

Several generations were sold a lie about college being a necessity to move ahead in the world. Now people are calling these guys out on it and they're all surprised Pikachu face.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree that there's no right to a living wage, or any job at all. What there is a right to is basic income, whether it's in the form of negative taxes, jobs programs, or other means.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Universally even.