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As a queer person (agender) with a conservative dad, I don’t get why he says he wants to go back to the 1950s. What was so special back then besides his reasoning that times were simpler? I feel like it would be harder for me then as a queer person.

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I kind of think of the 50s as kind of a major turning point for the US. There were a lot of seeds of greatness then that weren't properly nurtured in the following decades so that they could grow.

While just about every other country in the world was trying to put themselves back together from WWII, we had emerged not only unscathed, but in almost every measure better than we were before. We had military might, we had a booming economy, manufacturing, science, technology, arts, entertainment, cars, appliances, TV, electricity all on a scale previous generations could only dream about.

Even if you were part of a marginalized group- black, LGBTQ, female, etc. there were some glimmers of hope that looked like things might get better soon- the civil rights movement was picking up steam, there were some early LGBTQ rights movements and demonstrations taking shape, women entered the workforce in a big way during the war, and after the war mostly returned to the home afterwards but those seeds were planted, I don't think it's a coincidence that little girls growing up in the 40s watching the women in their lives being the Rosie the Riveter would become the ones who embraced 2nd wave feminism 20 or so years later.

And of course we had high corporate taxes helping to fund it all.

It wasn't all sunshine and roses of course, and you will certainly find no shortage of people here on Lemmy who will happily spell out all of the many reasons the 1950s sucked, and I don't disagree with them, but that's not what you asked, so I'm not going to go into that.

The 50s were a major leap forward in the quality of life for many people in america, and while far from perfect, there is definitely an angle you can look at it from where things looked like they were more-or-less on the right track.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because they were young then.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 3 days ago

Yes. Nostalgia softens sharp edges, brightens sunny spots.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I want the economy of the 50s and civil rights for everyone.

Sadly, it seems like we're moving the economy further away from the 50s and only bringing civil rights back there...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I want the economy of the 50s

so, prosperity based off of genociding and overworking brown people abroad?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There were plenty of local jobs that paid better than jobs today do (adjusted for CoL) and needed less education etc.

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[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We both know you know what was meant. Don't be like a republican. Have a good day.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

no, you don't seem to know what i meant.

your comfort and booming economy is a direct result of your imperialism and owning the world's currency. "the economy of the 50s" was fueled by blood.

don't be an apologist for it. don't be like a republican.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh I know what you meant, exactly. It's grade school history. It's also the same take repeated endlessly on internet forums where pedantry and needing to spell out every single facet rule supreme. So I guess I'll spell it out. "The economy refers to the fact someone was able to pay for a home, family, and yearly vacation on an entry level, high school diploma as the only requirement job. The civil rights and liberties people are stating as the one thing they didn't want to bring to modern times."

I'm going to assume you know why someone would want that without the abuse of minorities, immigrants, or third world countries.

Or you can just pull the same thing everyone else does and state, "A society like that couldn't exist without that exploitation." like the true unique free thinker you are. To which I say prove it. We've always had a rich parasite class that needed exploitation, those who are fine without being far wealthier than others are perfectly capable of doing fine without the exploitation, its the leeches that require it.

[–] zenforyen@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

Ah it's always the same with those ideologically blinded people.

Capitalism is inherently bad blah blah

Socialism can never work blah blah

It's all bullshit. Capitalism does not matter, socialism does not matter. How we call it does not matter. What matters is that a society is healthy, sustainable and prospering.

The main problem of all theories is the confrontation with reality - each set of values or ideology is as much worth as the people who (supposedly) follow it.

In any system we ever built, there are greedy, corrupt, powerful people, who like shit, always somehow end up swimming at the top. And then everything begins to rot.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Could not agree more. I'm a democratic socialist. I firmly believe that the ideas of that ideology, properly implemented, can drastically improve the standard of living for a huge percentage of the population.

I live in a country where our democratic socialist party is fantastically corrupt, lazy and completely bereft of any motivation to do anything that doesn't directly benefit themselves. Consequently, I don't support them. Results over ideology is an important mantra no matter what you believe.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A little later, maybe, but much the same... on the upside:

  • we were optimistic.
  • we were going to conquer space, and it was going to be real live humans, not semi-autonomous robots
  • society (in the US and W. Europe) was (very) slowly getting more progressive.
  • Hitler had been killed, and fascism defeated forever. Never again would we have another dictator; never again would we watch a country commit genocide against a people.
  • life was slower. TV was the bad influence rotting kids brains. We didn't have an entire industry focused on commoditizing us.
  • computers were fucking incredible. The future we imagined coming from computers was very, very different than what we ended up with. For one thing, we didn't imagine a single-minded focus of all software and computing power on commercializing every aspect of our life.
  • no Facebook, no Twitter, no TikTok
  • Income disparity was far less extreme, and class mobility was a realistic dream. You could imagine buying a nice house and raising a family on a single income. If you worked hard and had a little luck you could pass on some reasonable wealth to your kids.
  • shit really was - in the aggregate - getting better all around. Technology was advancing and bringing amazing products; science was being discovered that you could basically wrap your head around. Lives (in the Western world) were improving (relatively, compared to previous decades) for most people, and all this happened at a pace that didn't up-end your world every day, 365 days a year.
  • you could get all the news you needed for a fairly rounded world view in a single newspaper, much of which you could read over breakfast. There was no information overload.

On the downsides,

  • dad beat us with a belt as punishment
  • we were having wars that were disrupting society. The draft was a real worry.
  • we were constantly afraid that nuclear war could happen at any time
  • commies were hiding under our beds
  • minorities of all kinds were fighting for their rights, and fighting to get them enforced. It sucked to be gay, or black, or a woman (but it was getting better, slowly)
  • most people didn't have access to a computer, much less a PC until well into the 80's, so you had to infiltrate University computer labs.

It was a slower world, with fewer consumer goods, fewer conveniences, and worse medical care. Everybody smoked, all the time. But slower was good, and - best of all - we didn't realize yet that we were killing the planet; the world wasn't ending.

[–] pleasestopasking@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Have your asked your dad? What does he say? Did you tell him that you think it would be harder for you and ask what his opinion is?

Not saying you have to, just curious if you did how it went. I'm in a similar boat.

[–] anthony@lemmings.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He just says times were simpler and i think something about segregation still being a thing. i haven't told him because he just thinks i'm a girl.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 4 points 3 days ago

Lol, so racism.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Because white guys.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

White privilege.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago

They like Jello as much as they love Jim crow

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

I feel like it would be harder for me then as a queer person.

This is why they want it

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