Asklemmy

American rail doesn't exist outside of like two cities. To take public transit to work, I'd have to walk about 12km to the train station. From there, I could catch a train that runs every hour to downtown. I think that train takes about 45m, but I have no idea how often it runs. From downtown, I could transfer to light rail for 20m, transfer again to a bus for 15m, and then I could walk the last 6 blocks or so. Not counting the 12km walk, it would take at least 1:20 plus time spent waiting on transfers.

Or I could drive there in 45m of horrible traffic.

Threadbare. In cities like NYC, it approximates European transport, though is somewhat more dysfunctional. Elsewhere, you have things like “commuter rail” (like a regio/S-bahn, only with next to no off-peak service, running solely as a shuttle between CBDs and dormitory suburbs). There’s Amtrak, but it’s slow and infrequent and runs on tracks owned by freight railroads, and often is delayed by hours from waiting for freight trains to pass. Bus services have a stigma, associating them with poor (and typically non-white) people, to the point where people who have a choice avoid them, and vote to minimise the amount of their tax money that goes to pay for them. And in some Republican states, the government has scrapped even buses, replacing them with Uber vouchers mailed to households.

So yes, DB is creaking and needs investment to bring it up to scratch, but its service levels (even when wracked by delays) are utopian compared to most of the US.

While in college, I needed to attend an event at another campus two hours away by car. I had no car. But I did try to look for a bus route:

• Four hours down to the nearest major city with a bus terminal
• Two hour stop in said city
• Five hours back up to the starting latitude at my destination
• Arrive Friday, attend the 6-hour function on Saturday, find somewhere to stay, and wait until Monday afternoon to make the same trip again in reverse.

I eventually found a friend who could drive me there and back, but we still had to get up at 05:00 on a Saturday to make it in time. Also, no Uber or Lyft, it was too rural to have drivers available at any given time. How glamorous it would have been if I could just hop on the train to the next town.

My city only has the bus, which is super unreliable and the times might as well not exist half the time, or what happened to me recently was they changed stops for a route and Google maps never updated. It's typical to wait for an hour for a bus, sometimes they zoom right past you, or you need to transfer between lines. They're also planning on cutting 35% of bus lines next year, raising the fare, and stopping service at 11 pm, all due to lack of funding. You can read more here:

https://www.rideprt.org/2025-funding-crisis/funding-crisis/

There is a train, but it only goes to the suburbs outside of the city. The bus is your only option when you're in city limits.

I would take some more confusing steps over there not being an option at all.

I am lucky enough to live along the rail line that connects the east coast to Chicago. It is the main connection between population centers. There are only 2 train lines that pass through, each line only has one train in both directions. (total 4 a day, 2 east, 2 west) No service during the day, only early morning and late night.

Rail service is a joke here.

Our buses are more of a suggestion even if they go to where you want.

Public transport in the US is when they bring that big police box van to arrest everyone.

American public transport either doesn't exist or is considered to only be for poor people and migrant workers [sic].

The only place this isn't true is in a big city.

DB: "At least we're not National Rail."

National Rail: "At least we're not Amtrak."

if there is some kind of service to the general benefit of the public, you can presume America either does not have it, or will lose it within 5 years

By your content I’m going to discuss regional, not local service. For context I’m in one of the top 10 most populous cities in the country. There is no regional rail service. That’s how bad it is. In order to catch a train, it’s a 2 hour drive to a much smaller city.

But let’s look at a train trip I wanted to take. All west coast, Portland, OR to San Diego, CA. There is at least rail service that would do it. I think it took 48 ish hours with a middle of the night layover in Los Angeles. The drive is about 16 hours. The flight is about 2.

When it exists, it’s slow and super inconvenient.

I thought it cute when I believed you were comparing bus service, but laughed out loud at "america's rails"

The infrastructure is set up for cars, and then everyone has to drive their own car because we can't share a space respectfully. The only time I'd consider riding the bus is if I didn't have a car and if I had to for work. In the states the view towards public transportation is that if you depend on it you're not doing too well, which is sad. I commute 70 miles 1 way to work and would love to have a bullet train or something as an option. But as it is now, no, it's not even an option. I had a previous coworker that took 2 buses to work every day, and he was always telling me about the "interesting" people he'd run into on the bus, like a guy with a puppet at 7:00 in the morning, or the drivers that didn't know the schedule so they couldn't tell him when another bus would be coming. No thanks.

DB is the definite proof that German efficiency is a lie, but tourists using urban transports in big cities will usually have a good experience. Even the public transports in Berlin have got their shit together in the last few years, even if S-Bahn/DB are still a level below BVG.

I live in a bigger US city that does have a metro. It’s not bad for doing longer trips in certain directions, when it’s working. But it breaks down at least a few times a year, and if you have to make a transfer to another train to make it to your destination, it’s often literally faster to walk.

What’s American rail?

Our side of town has zero rail, and it would take about two hours on a bus to get home from downtown, 7 miles away. Oh, and the Amtrak train 7 miles away shows up once a day at 2am. And I could probably hitchhike to where I’m going faster than that shit train would get me there.

Hell, I've heard of Americans coming to Vancouver Canada and being pleasantly surprised about our public transit. We don't even technically have a proper heavy metro, and the SkyTrain is classified as automated "light" metro, AKA the kind they have in tiny German towns that are too small for heavy metro or S-bahn, AKA basically the same as an airport peoplemover but built out for a metro area of 3 million people.

When I was in Australia, a bunch of people asked me about the public transport here and all of them were baffled when I told them how shit it was...

I have no idea where this perception that everything must be perfect in Germany or Europe came from but it is sooo outdated.

Speaking of tickets; in NSW you just tap your Opal card when entering/leaving train stations. It makes so much more sense and is so much easier.

San Francisco has a pretty good bus/trolley system. There might be other cities with decent busses but I’m unaware of them.

Some major cities like New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago have acceptable subways, and commuter rails. You can probably get a daily train from one city to the next. Example: you can take a train from Boston to NY once a day - it’s fairly ok, and probably preferable than driving for most people.

Most cities have busses that suck, and literally zero trains and subways.

Most Europeans don’t realize how big the US is, and how much of it is quite rural. It doesn’t make sense to build a rail to service the few dozen families in east bumfuck nowhere.

Getting a license to drive is, generally speaking, pretty easy from most states. Usually just a written test and a road test where you just have to drive around the block without breaking any rules.

Some city dwellers survive without cars, but they are kind of stuck in the city. When they want to get out, they’ll rent a car for the day.

I'm British and I came to Berlin a couple of weeks ago.

That shit was 10x better than London and 100x better than the rest of the country

I did some research and my city is almost 1:1 with Bielefeld Germany.

Bielefeld has 4 tram lines, 140 busses on a network that covers most of the city and established bike lanes. Wichita has 40 busses, 13 set bus routes, and 3 bike lanes in the whole city. I'm "lucky" enough to live two blocks from the nearest bus stop, but that bus route doesn't land anywhere near places I want to go. Great if you're in rehab thigh I guess.

In a few cities it's good. NYC, Chicago, where white people live in DC, and maaaybe SFO come to mind. (LA your subway is only for movies, F off). Literally everywhere else it's a travesty of busses designed to institutionalize and reinforce classism and poverty. So it's bad, and no one wants to use a bus system (lack of tracks? Lack of charm!) of it served wealthier neighborhoods.