“Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”
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Lower wages and lower research budgets in Europe are very tangible problems.
The reason USA attract so many high level scientists and researchers, is that they throw more money at it.
Despite that, I'm sure most researchers will find that you can do more with less here in Europe, both on research and with your private economy. And quality of life seems to me to be miles ahead compared to USA.
Cost of living is significantly lower, and the social safety net means you don't need as much anyway.
My gut feel is wages are so much higher in the US because everyone is responsible for looking after themselves if life turns on them, so you're obliged to stockpile wealth in case you're suddenly jobless or have a giant medical or education bill to contend with.
This. People can make more in the US because the country doesn't give a fuck about it's people. It's like gambling the health and wellness of you and your family to horde up some Cash.
We call it savings, not hoarding. But yeah. You need it. If you lose your job here, you’re fucked.
For a lot of people in this country it's hording. But I get what you mean.
it is people, indeed
Absolutely free healthcare and education are big parts of doing more with less, and quality of life.
But it's also easier to buy a house or apartment, and quality food is cheaper, and paid holidays and on and on.
We have so many privileges Americans don't have it's crazy.
While that is true, academic wages are still laughably low in Europe, even compared to wages here.
You can earn more after 5 years in the industry than as a full professor in academia. We should pay academics more.
It was one of the reasons I left academia. I doubled my pay within two years.
I agree, but don't forget that every year, things get harder because everything is trying to find more ways to take that extra money from you. From schools, companies, and government they are all figuring out ways to come up with new mandatory requirements for stuff that normally ends up being a new fee or payment on top of what you used to need. For example when you are in school, you probably need way more certifications in things which costs more money either by a 1 time fee or sometimes yearly fees and a lot of this never existed 20-30 years ago. I feel like we pay for literally everything, and it all keeps going up as well. It's hard to get ahead when everyone wants a piece of your pie.
scientists and researchers, is that they throw more money at it.
You seem to be using the present tense there rather than the past tense. Are you sure that's still true. I was under the impression the Bibulous Bumbling Bill had slashed research budgets (among other things like medicaid) in order to fund billionaire tax cuts.
Not to mention the attempts to proscribe what can be researched that Harvard is currently litigating
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That's what we thought last time under Trump. But it turned out most scientists go for the higher wages and budgets in USA.
Well the USA is aiming to fix that by cutting a third of all education spending and by dismantling the entire department of education.
Even lower is more than zero.
Con on your new homes. We'll miss you but know humanity is better off with you there.
-grats? new slang?
No usually my phones keyboard would finish con-gratulations when I double hit spacebar. But the last update decided my keyboard app I've been using for 5 years now with no issues needed Ai. And the Ai decided my 5 years of predictive typing is wrong and I ment con. I'm so annoyed I don't correct it half the time.
That is the best excuse for a typo ever, congrats to you. (Mine still autocorrects correctly, woo)
It used to be known as swyft keyboard. Then Microsoft gobbled it up a couple years back. Now it fucking has copilot. I have never fucking once started a sentence with "Con" I've started a whole fucking bunch with congratulations! (I work in education and that's how I text and email parents when they've been taken off the after school program wait list. Wait list because we don't have the funding to support more children. But my phones Ai got a carve out on this recent budget bill... We are sooo fucked.)
Good on you expats, may Europe treat you with the respect you deserve.
it's France, the answer is probably not.
Yeah, but at least when their government mistreats them, they actually bring out the guillotines.
Americans used to know how to deal with fascist dictators
they know how to protest.
Damn I gotta go back to school
The first who joined that Safe Place for Science program. I'm sure there have been others who didn't know about that, or didn't want the publicity, but just left quietly when they realized how bad things were getting.
The marketing of it kind of creeps me out.
god I wish I could go but I'm just a dork with an Associates 😭
maybe your associate might get a visa, try marrying them
Donald Trumps America is right. This isn’t my America.
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