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[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

accepting bribes is bad actually

being sent to war against your will is bad actually

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but invasions are a justifiable reason to impose a draft.

[–] conductor@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, you’re wrong. Conscription is always wrong. If fighting is justified you won’t need to do it.

[–] CheezyWeezle@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cool so I can come in to your house and steal all your shit, beat up your children, and shoot your dog, and you aren't allowed to fight back because if it was justified, you wouldn't need to?

EDIT: I seem to have misinterpreted the comment, as you appear to be referring to conscription being unnecessary rather than the fighting. Taking the whole context of the comment supports that, but taking only the context of the final sentence makes it appear that you are saying "if fighting is justified you dont need to fight" rather than "if fighting is justified, conscription is unnecessary"

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Alt-righters calling Zelenskyy corrupt and so on all day long. Look how stressed his face looks. He's aged like 30 years since the war started.

[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it's a crime, do not fire them, lock them up in pris-

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the actions "treason" and has initiated criminal proceedings.

Oh. Oh well.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, one of the main reasons the Russian army has been underperforming is corruption. Loads of money siphoned, incompetent people getting positions, you name it. Zelenskyy is also making sure the same doesn't happen in his country and stays on top performance/efficiency wise.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

the Russian army has been underperforming is corruption

Check under the hood of any army and you're going to find all sorts of corruption, graft, and kickbacks. War Is A Racket.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A real crime here is the draft. And before the tankies start circling this post, it applies to russia as well.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Regular draft is unacceptable. But this is not a regular draft.

[–] ShovelLiz@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the draft is the real crime

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

100%

But the chickenhawks here in the US have always been content watching other people march off to war.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Cheering for other people's kids to march off and kill one another.

Booing when they come home, covered in blood and sweet and tears, because they didn't achieve some kind of unequivocal victory.

Then claiming the (((Secret Traitors))) cost you the war by undermining moral with information about what was actually going on.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It infuriates me that more people aren't talking about how sexist it is that Ukraine only drafted its men. I can understand instituting a draft when your country is literally being invaded, but it should apply to all able-bodied citizens, not just men.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

To what end? Just to get woman suffer as much as men in the name of equality? Winning the war is what matters. There are plenty of strategic reasons why you might not want to include woman in a draft. You still need civilians in regular jobs, you will need to population to grow after the war, and overall most military in the world are designed by men, for men, and are extremely missadapted for woman.

[–] nyoooom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There is a point in the fact that men are biologically more suited to fight than women. Also no one is preventing a woman to join the military.

In the end it just sucks, no one should ever have to be drafted.

[–] zer0@thelemmy.club 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In a situation where losing means you lose everything... It's a small price to pay.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

losing means you lose everything

Conscripting a guy to go to war on your behalf, watching them die in your defense, and then breathing a sigh of relief because at least you didn't lose anything.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apple is truck.

See? I can also spew nonsense.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Words do mean things. Conscription is involuntary labor. Slavery is... involuntary labor. A=A.