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In the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party, strategists think Project 2029 can shape the future agenda. But are they learning from past mistakes or ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Like there will be democrats running things in 2029.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Calling it Project 2029 normalizes the insane Project 2025. Fucking idiot leadership.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think they're idiots, I think they know what they're doing. Controlled opposition and so forth.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But are they ... ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

Almost certainly.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago

I'm not going to trust any plan the Democratic leadership (or former leadership) put forth until Bernie Sanders endorses it.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Project 2029, in summary:

  • More money for cops
  • More money for the military
  • Less money on social programs
  • More tax cuts for billionaires
  • A tiny tax cut for some of the working class, that expires in 2 years
[–] SARGE@startrek.website 10 points 2 days ago

Less money on social programs

How dare you, they would never lower them even more than they have been!

They would maintain the status quo, and in 3 years open up an inquiry as to whether a committee could be established to contemplate on the possibility of maybe increasing their budgets by 0.00001% over the next 100 years (which can be canceled at any time for no reason)

Then sit back and pat themselves on the back for being such a man/woman of the people.

[–] Wbear@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why would you use the same naming convention... wtf.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

Because the democrats are the Republicans of 10 years ago that constantly triangulates on the mythical moderate voter in the ever right-shifting "center" between the most wretched reactionaries to be organized into a political party - themselves constantly regressing further to maintain a distinctive distance from their political opposition - and their status quo maintaining tail.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Because our political leaders and their consultants are bad at politics.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

i like it, it's simple and effective

maybe you're victim of the paradox of the blue sky?


after checking, "paradox of the blue sky" doesn't seem to be an established term. here's a short explanation:

a nazi says on a sunny and cloudless day that the sky is blue. because a nazi is always wrong, you contradict it and say that the sky is in fact not blue; even though it clearly is blue. But if a nazi says it, it must clearly be wrong.

[–] Wbear@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I don't think that's it. Having a plan for what a party wants to do totally makes sense - and I kind of thought that was kind of the point of party leadership but whatever, not the point.

I think "Project (year)" just has bad vibes, given how absolutely horrific project 2025 is. And I have concern that people would think it's... a sequel? More of that kind of policy? Rather than opposing it.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

This is not the same thing. At all.

Disagreeing with a verifiable fact just because someone you don't like said the same thing is not remotely equivalent to using a naming convention to come up with someone to call your own plan, which is an arbitrary attribution completely up to you

It's very good news that plans are being developed!

We need plans because they give us a clear line of action, and also a speed advantage, should we ever get into a position to implement them.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Project 2025 is a modern Mein Kampf, so idk if "I'm gonna make my own Mein Kampf! With blackjack! And hookers!" Is the correct response to the Nazi shit we're dealing with now.

Make a plan for sure, but Jesus fucking Christ, guys: branding!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

But are they learning from past mistakes AND NO LONGER ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

FTFY

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

The people the article is talking about are the people Martin's run out of the party...

They're doing this because they don't have a job anymore.

The people who had been running the party and fucking everything up don't have the power to keep fucking stuff up. So they're going to present themselves as "outsiders" against the DNC....

And honestly?

Some people are dumb enough to fall for it.

They're not running anything except their own club they just made for themselves. We don't need to get upset they're not letting progressives join. They would love if we stopped using the DNC (that they don't control) and start using the new thing they just created (because they're in control of it).

It's blatantly obvious what they're doing.

[–] coolcat1711@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't even know how this would work. Project 2025 was an actual plan that discussed how to execute their vision. I don't like it but I applaud their commitment.

I don't think the Democratic establishment even has a real vision to even execute. Which means that their "plan" will be vague and non-executable. The exact opposite of what makes the Project 2025 document actually effective.

the democratic party should be sexy again, and by sexy, i mean attractive, cutting and sharp. instead of the indistinct, visionless, potato bag-energy they currently have when it comes to actual policies.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Noooooope.

If you were in anyway involved with anything to do with a US president from 2016-2028, everyone else is better off if you just sit the fuck down and permanently kept your mouth shut.

Regardless of which geriatric piece of shit it was under, they were both mentally incompetent and no one from either admin did the right thing and blew the whistle.

[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

This is like saying you're releasing Mein Kampf 2, good guy edition.

Sullivan was the piece of shit that significantly slowed and diminished US aid to Ukraine since the new, active phase of the war started in February 2022. For that alone, he can go fuck himself.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yall. The wealthy are already hedging their bets for the next election to ensure the democrats maintain their pro war and pro capital agenda. If we let the democrats put another center right candidate on the ballot we will end up worse than ever. We need a populist progressive anti capitalism president to save this country! (that doesn't mean communism)

[–] orionsbelt@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago

is “Project (YYYY)” the new (Service) Pro/Plus”?

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. We need a genocidaire who refused to arm Ukraine adequately near power again.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know this is a controversial opinion, but maybe US politics should be more about the US and less about the rest of the fucking world again.

This gives me real "Mamdani is not pro Israel" vibes. He doesn't need to be pro israel. He's running as the mayor of NYC, not of Israel.

This dude who is saying this was instrumental in the death of thousands and thousands of people in a genocide. Directly complicit. Nothing he says should have any value and he should be brought to The Hague for justice

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Good! COPYING the EXACT thing that Literally EVERY AMERICAN HATED is a Surefire way to Win! MAYBE they can Also REJECT Candidates that Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY approve of like Mamdani! Democrats are About to be Tired of WINNING!