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[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 64 points 3 days ago (12 children)

The fact that PewDiePie might have a right-leaning following, that he acquired by himself leaning right, which he now exposes to Freedom, using Libre Software, might actually be a good thing. Since exposing yourself to the philosophy of Free Software eventually leads to human rights and thus to the left, in a way. If PewDiePie course-correcting to the left like this, taking his enormous subscriber-base with him, IMO it is very good.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

Idk. There's already plenty of right wingers (libertarians) in FLOSS spaces. I'd hate to see any more.

[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 101 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's plenty of neo-nazis in the Free Software movement. It's "Free Software", not "Free People"

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 days ago

sometimes it feels that there are more cryptofascists in the movement than other ideologies. luke smith is a prime example.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Nazis are everywhere, not just OSS. Never seen one though

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago
[–] lime@feddit.nu 40 points 3 days ago (6 children)

i feel like you missed the time between 1990 and 2005 when american libertarians caused a schism in the free software movement by popularising open source.

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

"right leaning" is one hell of a way to describe a fucking outright neo nazi...

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[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is evidence already in that video that suggests that he is starting to lean more left. Like he pointed out the ecological issues with AI. Even though he did say "I don't like to be that guy" before saying that.

It seems like he is already doing some doubts and thinking that are signs of moving the left direction.

I'm trying to be the optimist here. If we want not just PewDiePie, but his subscribe-base to change sides, we need him to be extra careful and extra soft with this sort of change. He seem to know how to form good streams of thoughts and convincing narratives. This would take some serious carefulness on his part. And it seems like he is already taking small steps to do that.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm sorry no. He is not leaning more left he's just an opportunistic crypto fascist.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The problem with this is that it leaves left-leaning people using tech companies and slick, highly-produced products as status items. iphones and macbooks are still solid left-leaning status objects.

Also, the right doesn't mind being scrappy and using janky, poorly configured crap if it appears to meet their agenda. Nearly every right-leaning social media platform is either a platform with a Mastadon backend, or some early 2000's style forum.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 98 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What in the UX war crime is this for me to read an article. It’s like the polar opposite of for-profit media trying so hard that it’s just looped around on itself

[–] blenderdumbass@lm.madiator.cloud 32 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Oh you even got the iWarning lol

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Yes, your user agent detector is certainly working

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's this warning thing? (for those of us far outside of the Apple ecosphere)

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It’s basically an ad to tell people their phone isn’t private and they should buy a Purism phone

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[–] SilliusMaximus@mander.xyz 68 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So glad that one of the largest youtubers is promoting Linux, FOSS and privacy :D

[–] AlyxMS@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think Microsoft's Windows 11 has done that far more effectively than any influencer

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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 43 points 3 days ago

I see that this is your own article, so I don't mean to disrespect your effort or intentions, but to hell with PewDiePie

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

No.

Anyone with a platform can do that.

(And from the little bits I've seen, mostly over memes & various news bits, the quality is questionable. Just don't follow the whims of influencers, it's not the correct way forward imho, it just inevitability leads to or spreads enshitification.)

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[–] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago

Wait until he discovers the Fediverse....

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I have asked a few times why PDP deserves all the hate. The best answer I got is "look it up yourself". I did, and the only things I found were many years old, and in each instance (of which there aren't that many) he apologized publicly and acknowledged that things got out of hand. To me, his apologies seem sincere and genuine - none of that "I'm sorry I got caught" bullshit that actual scumbags are known for.

I don't watch PewDiePie but he's alright best I can tell. If I've missed something, please let me know what that is, and be specific because I genuinely can't find it.

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (6 children)

he said the N-word, hard R and all

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 14 points 3 days ago (20 children)

I heard he's Hated cause he's a Nazi apparently.

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[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

I used to watch him years ago. He has a very young and impressionable audience which he constantly feeds memes with right-wing rethoric.

To list a few of the stuff I remember:

  • He said the N word hard R;
  • He paid people on Fiverr to show a sign saying "Death to all Jews" or something like that, where he laughed at the reveal. He said it was to prove a point that you could do harmful shit with that type of online service, but all it ended up doing was getting the guys banned from the platform and served to signal to Nazis that he would host such content;
  • He allowed right-wingers to fester in his community, 4chan specially really liked the guy;
  • He hosted both Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk in his channel for a "meme review";
  • He has stated multiple times that his favorite author is Mishima, a Japanese fascist, not only in the past, but also in the last year at least;
  • He used to stream on some crypto bullshit site, which I don't remember the name;
  • His whole campaign against the Indian conglomerate T-Series lead not only to racist comments but also to a very racist music video he did;
  • The Christchurch shooter mentioned him in a video. And while being mentioned by a shooter doesn't necessarily mean he's an issue, in this case it's extremely relevant since it's pretty clear that is a byproduct of his politics and the community he has.

There's probably much more that I either don't remember or don't know about, but this is more than enough to understand where he stands politically and the harm he causes.

I also recommend the video: The PewDiePipeline.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
  • He used to follow (probably still does) open white supremacists and Nazis of the Richard Spencer/Lauren Southern type and got called out for it and privated his follows on twitter. That was many years ago but given he's never done a u-turn and say started attacking gamergate and other reactionary gamer politics or loudly supporting broad coalition progressive politics I think we can assume he still holds those politics and more importantly he dog whistles and is part of a pipeline of radicalizing young men, specifically gamers into hate.
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[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 12 points 3 days ago

Great blog post! The mastodon outrage was a highlight as I see it again and again. Dunking on bridgy-fed, opt-out telemetry and donation pop-ups.

As I have tried to put myself in the shoes of a typical person I can see how they can view FOSS as crazy people in tinfoil hats creating templeOS.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

A lot of the times when people hear of Richard Stallman, or other people, who correctly state that all proprietary software is absolutely inexcusable, they feel pressured. Which makes them recoil and distance themselves from those types of ideas. If you need to suddenly re-learn the entire way you are using the computer, and you may have certain habits, or certain things you rely on, or enjoy very much, either games, or software, or in case of PewDiePie, the platform he is on. You will automatically feel like whatever these Stallmans are asking from you is so absurdly hard for you to do, that you don't even consider it. More than that, to protect yourself from that hard work, you come up with a bunch of reasons, to not even engage in that idea. Which creates an opposition. And it is not something that we want.

It's not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.

Which in itself is not actually true, but if you approach it like this with non-technical types then they will rightly and instinctively balk at both the software and you.

Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software, and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won't need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They're trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It’s not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.

FOSS is literally a political and ideological set of positions. The entire thing that makes Free Software and Open Source differentiated from just "normal" software development and distribution are a set of political and organisational positions, which are in limited fashion codified and expressed in software licenses, and also through e.g. structure of organisations around projects and why they're structured that way.

Without that, you just get companies making money from pawning off a portion of their development and infrastructure costs to volunteers and other organisations (non-profits, other companies, governments).

Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software,

FOSS isn't about fandom of a particular piece of software.

and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won’t need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They’re trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.

This is absurdly politcally and socially naive. Also can we please ban stemlords from ascribing every aspect of politics and political advocacy to always being a cult.

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