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[โ€“] obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Better then ever" is a bold claim. I switched to GrapheneOS and guess what it stopped working. Why? Because Google decided not to make it work on custom OS's anymore like a year ago.

To my understanding there is NO real technical reason for this. If I can have Signal work cross platform (a real secure messenger) then RCS can as well.

[โ€“] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There are ways to make it work on graphene, but yes - it doesn't work out of the box.

[โ€“] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Means nothing to me until there is an open source option for RCS. It is supposed to be an open standard, but in reality Google has a total stranglehold on the technology.

[โ€“] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Google wants to eliminate any threat of competition outside of Apple and stock Android

[โ€“] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pushed by carriers, no E2E yet, Google. Why would anyone use this?

Is it only google approved operating systems still? I remember they weren't allowing people on non google signed android forks to use it?

[โ€“] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you been living under a rock the past 10 years? If you think 95% of users give a single shit about E2E, you have a vastly better view of humanity than I do.

[โ€“] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Perhaps a better word would be

Why should anyone use this?

[โ€“] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Fuck RCS.

Twenty years too late for a "protocol" that is bound to hardware - something we decided was a bad idea forty years ago, and part of why TCP/IP became the standard.

XMPP is a far better protocol, and has had all the features of RCS for 20 years.

I will never use RCS.

[โ€“] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

XMPP does have something that breaks my heart: it bounds encryption to a very specific client. So forget about migrating to something else and keeping your history somehow. Which is very sad for supposedly interoperable protocol.

[โ€“] RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are you talking about omemo and a scenario where you buy a new device and want to sync your entire history from the server?

[โ€“] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You don't even need another device. You might just want to try another client app. You'd be screwed. That's very, very sad.

[โ€“] leetnewb@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is how perfect forward secrecy is supposed to work.

[โ€“] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's a terrible UX. If you have a protocol independent from clients, at least the chat database backup should be standardized. It's not.

That means you'll forever get stuck to one client. This is absolutely terrible for any organization.

[โ€“] leetnewb@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would an organization use OMEMO if it doesn't fit their requirements? OMEMO isn't necessary for encrypting xmpp communications. Also, I get the concern that only the original client will have a full history of the user, but most people don't need a complete chat history. Or put another way, wanting a complete, unencrypted chat history is relatively orthogonal to wanting perfect forward secrecy.

Well, Signal can do it. That's where the argument ends. If Signal can do it, XMPP should too. But it doesn't.

Most clients also offer OpenPGP which has the properties you are looking for.

[โ€“] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

XMPP is for grey beards

We need something clean and modern

[โ€“] bl4kers@beehaw.org 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Google should open it up for other apps to use. Otherwise RCS is a power grab

[โ€“] jcarax@beehaw.org 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yup, no way I'm enabling play services and installing Messages just to use RCS. I mostly use Signal, anyway.

What we should really be fighting for is more federation between messaging platforms.

[โ€“] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Federation can be hard since you also need to protect privacy

With that bring said they could at least try. Honestly it would be better if we got some sort of RFC.

[โ€“] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

It is abuse of the dualopoly

[โ€“] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I turned it off when it failed to failover to sms when there was no data connection.

Are both me and the recipient online? Send RCS. Are either of us not connected? Send sms. How is that so hard?

Otherwise RCS is just "worse SMS for people with intermittent data connectivity".

[โ€“] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because SMS costs money everywhere else and the world is not the US.

[โ€“] russjr08@bitforged.space 4 points 2 months ago

That would be a reason for the feature not being available.

The feature is there, it just apparently doesn't always work reliably.

[โ€“] Turret3857@infosec.pub 8 points 2 months ago

Reading the comments here has me like: Woman sitting in the dark saying "Iam so proud of this community. Screenshot from the last Youtube Rewind.

[โ€“] russjr08@bitforged.space 8 points 2 months ago

No thanks, I think I'll pass on sending out messages that look like spam.

if you want me to turn on rcs then let it work with my google fi connected account where i can get my voicemails on the web

[โ€“] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

SMS works perfectly well for sending https://signal.org/install

[โ€“] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

It's time to get with the RCS program, already!

Tell that to my MVNO ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

[โ€“] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Fuck this. Fuck google. I use their shit at work and it sucks, leave me alone at home.