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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 59 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

According to Israeli sources, Netanyahu is still in an Israeli security council meeting, for over two hours now, and waiting on the announcement from president Trump.

They also said this:

Our team has worked extremely hard on the exclusives we've provided in the past, and so far, they've all proven true in some capacity.

Eventually, we'll fail, and we truly hope that this latest exclusive is wrong, given its implications for the region.

God bless you all.

What the hell is going on?

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 50 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Trump announces the abolition of Israel.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 44 points 16 hours ago

a-little-trolling May Allah awaken the people…

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[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 45 points 16 hours ago

May god have mercy on our souls type sendoff

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 55 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

American threats of military intervention against Iran are pushing the region to the brink of explosion.

We in the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, strongly condemn the American threats and categorically reject the continued zionist aggression against the Islamic Republic of Iran, which constitutes a blatant violation of international law and a direct threat to regional and global peace and security.

The zionist statements claiming that “there are no safe cities from ‘israel’ in the Middle East” reflect an arrogant colonial mindset and reveal aggressive intentions that endanger the stability of the region and its peoples.

We warn of the serious consequences of direct American involvement in any military aggression against Iran, and we hold Washington and the zionist entity fully responsible for the repercussions of this escalation against Iran and the region.

We affirm our solidarity with Iran and its people, and our support for its legitimate right to defend itself and its national sovereignty.

We call on Arab and Islamic countries to take a unified and responsible stance in confronting zionist recklessness, rejecting aggression against Iran, and preventing its continuation in order to protect the security of the region and the interests of its peoples.

  • Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
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[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 15 hours ago (15 children)

https://nitter.poast.org/ME_Observer_/status/1935098577144967461#m

i think i get the gist but does anyone have specific knowledge on this?

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 76 points 17 hours ago (35 children)

I'm getting really annoyed that whenever you express disappointment with China's passive foreign policy, some people immediately act like you're being unreasonable and asking China to declare total war, as if there aren't a dozen other things the world's biggest manufacturer could do with the amount of cards they have. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because if continuing (and even strengthening) trade with the Zionist entity during a genocide didn't stop those people from making up excuses, then nothing will.

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 39 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Some footage of Arrow 2 interceptions, explains all the videos of non intact re-entry vehicles. Arrow 2 uses both kinetic hit to kill interception and a massive blast fragmentation warhead. Even if Arrow 2 doesn't achieve a direct hit on a missile, the fragmentation and shrapnel from the warhead can still shred re-entry vehicles into multiple pieces as they fly through the shrapnel, while still continuing on their ballistic trajectory. Arrow 2 operates at altitudes between 8-50km. Think of Arrow-2 as an S-300V series type system with some hit to kill capability, and no capability against aerodynamic targets, S-300V can hit aerodynamic targets along with ballistic targets.

Footage

On the topic of S-300V series systems, new photographs have appeared of China's S-300V equivalent, rumoured to be called HQ-29. The watermark says 2022, maybe the year they were taken? But I've only seen them today. Previously we only had one low quality photo and CGI renders.

CGI rendering

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 49 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

My mother-in-law is stuck in Iraq, she should drive to Kuwait ASAP, right?

you should not be taking advice from us on the topic, but Kuwait still has U.S. bases and still has oil fields.

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[–] Lisitsyn@hexbear.net 53 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (7 children)

Iran preparing to attack US bases if US joins Israeli attack, with Iraq first target: Report

Iran has positioned military gear and missiles to strike US bases in the Middle East in preparation should the US join Israel in attacking the Islamic Republic, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

The US is already defending Israel from Iranian strikes and supplying it with military gear, but is not yet believed to be engaging directly in offensive operations.

Tehran is widely expected to retaliate to any US strikes by attacking American military bases.

The US has thousnads of troops in the Arabian Gulf, but the NYT says Iran is likely to start with attacks on Iraq.

Iraq is home to thousands of fighters who belong to pro-Iranian militias.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Four videos showing what currently ongoing Iranian strikes against Israel look like, these were in the last 30-40 minutes

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[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 44 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Discovered r/newiran today which is basically r/china but for iran. It's filled with the usual whiteboys from Ohio, Zionist Baby Killers and some Iranians celebrating Israel bombing them.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 58 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (12 children)

okay this gives hope

Itamar Ben Gvir to Amir Bar-Lev: “Why did you provoke Iran?” Bar-Lev responds: “We didn’t realize the power of Iran’s missile capabilities.” .. angry shouting ensues ..

Edit: More Hope - Iranian State Television will brodcast stuff about the downed f-35'S soon.. Edit: IRanian State TV - you wanted to post F-35 downing footage..

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 54 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This is the country trying to convince the world that Iran is on the cusp of political collapse

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[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 29 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Is the AP livestream actually live? I hear ~~sirens right now~~ (it stopped)

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 34 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

https://youtu.be/OwH780cEcEQ

I'm sure most of you know pretty much all the information in Ben Norton's latest video, but I'm really impressed by how clearly he lays out all the historical circumstances leading to this current clusterfuck.

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 33 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Wasn't Iran Internet shutdown today at midnight? AryJeay still posting on twitter

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[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I seriously hope people talking about US/Israel going nuclear are only dooming. I can't even begin to fathom the outcome...

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