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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 28 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 15 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Trump will speak when they're done

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Any bets on what he’ll say lmfao

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 16 points 1 hour ago

Bunker buster surprise drop

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 12 points 1 hour ago
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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 35 points 2 hours ago (9 children)

Israeli Defense Minister Katz: 'Ayatollah Khamenei is Saddam Hussein'

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[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 24 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 24 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Saddam Hussein supported the Palestinians and he got invaded by the USA, I guess that is what they mean? At this point I don't even know what the fuck they are talking about.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 18 points 1 hour ago

It’s “bad man = bad man” there’s no other coherence. Same thing calling every resistance leader the reincarnation of Adolf

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 22 points 2 hours ago

Everyone I don't like is ~~Hamas~~ Saddam

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 47 points 2 hours ago (10 children)

Al Jazeera

Iran used ‘undetectable’ missile in strike on Israeli intelligence site

Iran’s Defence Ministry says it used a new, undetectable missile in striking an Israeli intelligence facility, claiming the attack penetrated multiple layers of air defences. “In today’s attack, we deployed missiles that could not be tracked or intercepted,” said Brigadier General Reza Talaei-Nik, the ministry’s spokesperson, according to Iranian state news agency IRNA. He described the operation as a surprise for Israelis, warning that they will witness more.

Earlier today, Iran said its missile attacks hit a military intelligence centre and a Mossad operations planning centre. Talaei-Nik added that Israel is not prepared for prolonged conflict. “The Zionist regime cannot withstand a long war,” he said, adding that Iran’s military has been equipped with advanced systems – some of which “have not yet even been deployed”.

What's going on? Do you think they have "undetectable missiles" and what could the unused "advanced systems" be?

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 29 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I hope that means "Chinese stuff"

[–] jack@hexbear.net 18 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

none of us were watching the new China-Iran train, which has already delivered division after division of PLA heroes for the defense of Iran biaoqing-copium

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 14 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

somewhere, in the good timeline: US warplanes come screaming towards Tehran and all of the Chinese anti-air units throw off the tarps they've been hiding under in a stunning reveal and go to town

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 31 points 2 hours ago

Israeli drones are operating over Isfahan to prevent missile launches, says IDF Spokesperson. Israeli jets are involved in the attacks on Iranian launch sites too.

"We are deepening the attack now. 60 aircraft launched a large-scale attack in the heart of Iran against the command from which the missile barrages against Israel originated," - IDF, which likely explains why Iran can only fire a barrage of missiles in the single digits.

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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 39 points 2 hours ago

Meanwhile, in "omens and portents" news, Indonesia's Mt. Lewotobi Laki-Laki volcano has erupted rather spectacularly https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/17/indonesias-mount-lewotobi-laki-laki-volcano-erupts-alert-at-highest-level

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 40 points 2 hours ago

trump-drenched : "We know exactly where the so-called “Supreme Leader” is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin."

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 38 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Two interesting pieces in Haaretz:

Wealthy Israelis fleeing the country by yacht due to closed airspace,

On the flip side, El Al to begin “rescue flights” to repatriate Israelis “trapped abroad”

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 27 points 2 hours ago

"congrats! you're being rescued. Please do not resist".

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 55 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (11 children)

In NYC mayoral election news:

Brad Lander, NYC Comptroller and mayoral candidate (considered the second-best progressive candidate to Zohran Mamdani) was escorting a defendant from immigration court when ICE apparently wanted to detain the defendant. Lander was asking for a signed judicial warrant, so ICE handcuffed and detained Lander as well. Kudos to him for fighting for immigrants a week before the primary election. This might give him a boost electorally but unlikely it would be enough to propel him to "top-two" status as progressives coalesce around Zohran and the Dem establishment coalesce around Cuomo.

https://xcancel.com/bradlander/status/1935016805099016236

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/17/brad-lander-ice-mayoral-comptroller.html

Bernie Sanders has endorsed Zohran Mamdani.

https://xcancel.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1934938924385710464#m

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 27 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (5 children)

you just cant make this stuff up ... kitty-birthday-sad sauce

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

trump-drenched : "unconditional surrender!"

[–] smokeppb@hexbear.net 3 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 3 points 45 minutes ago

trump-anguish : "uNcOnDiTiOnAl sUrReNdEr!"

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