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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 9 points 18 minutes ago

In rare "good news", the UK govt today backed down in its legal fight for tougher anti-protest laws, used to arrest hundreds of protesters under the previous government's definition of "serious disruption" as "more than minor".

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 7 points 16 minutes ago

International Atomic Energy Agency:

  • Iran: Based on continued analysis of high resolution satellite imagery collected after Friday’s attacks, the IAEA has identified additional elements that indicate direct impacts on the underground enrichment halls at Natanz.
  • No change to report at Esfahan and Fordow.

Source

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 18 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 7 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago) (2 children)

The mid air refueling aircraft repositioned to Europe a day or two ago are now on the move, with F-35s and suspected F-22s being dragged along with them.

Someone snapped a photo of the F-35s over ~~Italy~~ the UK.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 7 points 21 minutes ago (1 children)

italian hexbear posters throwing their pasta at the imperialist planes to see if it's al dente

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 6 points 18 minutes ago

It was actually the UK, beans on toast about to be turned into AA guns.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 3 points 9 minutes ago (1 children)

Four F-35s per stratotanker, huh. So we're talking 100+ F-35s IF all the stratotankers that were transfered are again dragging fighters with them. That's a pretty large movement.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 3 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

Wouldn't just be F-35s. F-22s as well, along with the F-16 Wild Weasel squadrons stationed in Germany. Also plenty of F-15Es to act as missile and bomb trucks, though a lot of F-15s have already been moved to the region.

[–] Salem@hexbear.net 7 points 30 minutes ago (2 children)
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 15 minutes ago

God I love Ben

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 20 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

CNN

Mazandaran is north of Tehran.

As Israel’s attack on Iran is in its fifth day, many are fleeing the Iranian capital of Tehran and seeking refuge in the Caspian Sea province of Mazandaran. One evacuee told CNN it took more than 14 hours to reach Shomal, a popular holiday destination in the north that would normally be just a three-hour journey. “Everyone left Tehran, basically everyone I know has left the city,” the person said. “People in Shomal have opened their doors to people from Tehran, taking people in.”

“They bombed my house, my street yesterday,” the person added. “All the windows have turned to powder, the lobby of the building is gone.” With an influx of displaced residents, Mazandaran’s governor said bakeries will begin operating 24 hours a day starting tomorrow. “Our goal is for the people to be able to easily and without worry get fresh, warm bread at any time of the day or night when they need it,” the governor said, according to the semi-official Mehr News Agency.

He added that the province has the capacity to receive 10 million people fleeing from Tehran and other areas. US President Donald Trump warned Iranians to “immediately evacuate” Tehran in a social media post yesterday.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 5 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

The levels of solidarity apparent within Iranian civil life is good news, both for the humanitarian front but also for the rumblings of attempted regime change. Iranians being united is the worst case scenario for the Americans.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 3 points 11 minutes ago

the worst case scenario for the Americans

I was surprised that I found the update at CNN which - of course - often serves as a propaganda arm of the Pentagon.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 18 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (3 children)

Do people really think this could lead to regime change? From what it seems many inside don't like the Iranian regime but don't think Israel has the answer and may make it worse while those living out seem to support Israel? Whats the general sentiment?

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 25 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

The majority of the people I've seen suggest this just think that Muslims are a monolith and because Syria collapsed 'easily' they expect Iran to do the same.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 47 minutes ago

They're also just ignorant of recent history and somehow forgot that regime change in Syria took over ten years.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 11 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

Here's some analysis I did for the "student" protests 3 years ago

As always it's important to understand the class dynamics involved, the Islamic Republic two strongest bases of support are the rural petite-bourgeoisie/rural landlord class (who are the real social backers of the morality laws) and the urban/semi-urban working class who back the republic for material and national reasons (but who may or may not support the morality laws depending on context and personal religiosity) unlike the rural rentier class, the urban working class make up the bulk of the counterprotests

The protests themselves are made up of educated "middle class" urbanites, students and the chronically unemployed (with only the student urbanites really being dedicated to the protests) while the leadership is subsumed by the westernized diaspora/exiles who ironically have more in common materially with the rural petite-bourgeoisie, even if they disagree on the morality laws

Also I saw someone here claim the morality laws aren't enforced, that's complete nonsense, the Iranian petit-bourgeois Karens absolutely want these laws enforced and they have the money and backing to enforce it

All in all Iran is a land of contrasts

There won't be internal regime change; the working class, landlords, and big capitalists are with the regime, also as others have pointed out it took 15 years of sustained warfare for the Syrian regime to collapse and Assad WAS unpopular with a significant portion of the Syrian working class

Edit: It should also be pointed out the urban "middle class" liberals are unbelievably culturally and socially hostile to urban working class Iranians, to the point of it becoming an underground proto-segregationist issue, as a result the liberal westernized urbanites (where 90% of the traitorous elements reside) can never organize the street muscle required to even pull off a protest that doesn't fizzle out within two weeks

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 4 points 22 minutes ago

Not without an American ground invasion. However Iran could be substantially weakened via an extended period of bombing alone (regardless of how other regional actors also fare).

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 21 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Israeli media reporting what everyone knew. Unclear what this means about morale of the media class there.

Should be noted that the US confirmed this position less than 3 months ago

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago) (1 children)

Why bomb then 🤔

Clearly gaza ops are failing, Israel desperately trying to drag the US in

Credit to Trump here I really thing he's the only thing holding us back. Again his one good instinct

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 4 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

There was a vote in the Knesset to dissolve the government and force elections over conscription of the Haredi community. It was due around the same day the first wave hit, and was since postponed indefinitely.

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 2 points 5 minutes ago

Supreme Leader Khomeini

Tulsi psyops Gabbard doesnt know the difference between Ruhollah Khomeini and Ali Khamenei.

Laughably inept

[–] ThomasMuentzer@hexbear.net 7 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Pro Iranian video on the Missile strike Strategy

Realität: Was niemand über den Iran-Israel-Konflikt erzählt ( youtube automaticly translates titles now , but video is english)

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 42 minutes ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 13 points 1 hour ago

the isisraeli "drone bases" in iran are just the size of a shed https://xcancel.com/ME_Observer_/status/1934918187931378123

@Pili@hexbear.net

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 1 points 56 seconds ago

Iran really said “stop giving the megathread content”

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 24 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

piSSad and Unit 8200 getting clapped sicko-hexbear

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How do we know??? I haven't seen this yet

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

There's a plume of smoke coming from south of Cinema City Glilot (Fartreal using human shields exhibit a million), with videos taken from Glil Yam and the recorder even mentioning piSSad - if you do a search along the lines of "mossad headquarters hit", there will be various articles and videos

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 6 points 33 minutes ago

Nice! Thank you Iran lenin-heart

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 13 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

(I don't know what piSSad is. Idc about English but I feel so embarrassed and ashamed for not having good enough Maoist English to know piSSad. I am sorry comrades)

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 14 points 1 hour ago

(Also known as Mossad)

[–] ThomasMuentzer@hexbear.net 13 points 1 hour ago

Israeli Secret Intelligent Service

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 10 minutes ago

Now would be a really great time for Russia to up the ante a little in Ukraine, could turn a few heads in DC and Brussels, god forbid maybe even capture a small city??? I know, I know, Heresy!

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