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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

this is why you ditch competitive games in favour of cooperative ones, greybeards mentor greenbeards.

[–] Janovich@lemmy.world 2 points 20 minutes ago

Heck yeah. I play Helldivers a ton and when a newbie is in my game I bring a mech suit and some kind of secondary weapon for them to use an experience just how cool it can be. Someone did it for me and I’m definitely passing it on whenever I can.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

I thought, this was what the post is about. Then I saw the fist...

[–] Kepion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 18 hours ago

Rock and stone yeeeeeaah

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every dark souls invasion ever.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

This is why we have the bow and duel etiquette

[+] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't you expect to get rocked tbh. You are brand new, how else should it go

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Skill based matchmaking?

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Kind of ironic for the meme because cod 4 did have a version of sbmm.

Skill based matchmaking is the worst thing to happen to team based games in my memory. Theoretically it should lead to engaging games but it usually just is a mishmash of the high mmr players being high as a kite and low mmr players that got carried too far.

Just feels like, why try if you're guaranteed a 50% win rate no matter what? That leads to more friction between the people checking out and playing for fun and people playing to make their mmr bigger.

It used to be fun to see your progression relative to the lobby and how you were improving over time. If it felt too easy you could give yourself a handicap with an off meta gun/strat. If it was hard it felt extra good to have the rare game as a top performer.

And before people say "you just like stomping noobs", I've been on both sides in many games. Floated top 2-3% in Rocket League and hated every minute, been a cellar dweller in some shooters and had hundreds of hours of fun.

[+] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably frustrating for anyone who doesn't want to play with others who don't know how to play

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That makes literally zero sense. The point of skill based match making is that you're matched against people who are equivalent to your skill level. It allows skilled players to go against skilled players and newbies to git gud.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What they are saying is if they cannot curb stomp noobs the game is unfair.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Idk there is something I miss about older games where I slowly got better until I was the person on top of the scoreboard.

Also SBMM has some problems for better players depending on the implementation, at the end of the ranking bell curve it stops working. Often the skill difference between a top 100k player and a top 1k player is the same as between a top 1k and top 100 player.

But the top 1k all fall within the same matchmaking pool, even if it leads to unfair games.

Currently experiencing this within The Finals where I regularly get put against a full stack of top 20 players while either solo or duo q myself (were top 2500).

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well close, I'm saying I don't mind being curb stomped as a noob by experienced players

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago

And who do you play against early on before it has assessed your skill level?