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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Ffs, neural networks and LLMs have their place and can be useful, but setting up datacentres that snort up the entire internet indiscriminately to create a glorified chatbot that spews data that may or may not be correct is insane.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

I predicted this. It is similar to a photocopy of a photocopy that eventually ends up a mess of garbage noise.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

AI ingesting AI slop and falling apart is not dissimilar to boomers ingesting rightwing slop and falling apart.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago
[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If I had the money and a computer able to handle the amount of stuff I'd be throwing at it with a local model, I would have a giant website full of AI generated nonsense purely for the purpose of letting AI gobble it up to help the AI incest problem.

Imagine if a whole metric ton of "websites" did this. The thieving AI companies would either have to start blocking all of these sites or deal with an issue they don't wanna because they're too stingy and will probably just have their AI try ( and fail ) to fix the problem.

[–] ThefuzzyFurryComrade@pawb.social 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

That was certainly cool. Now I wish I could use tools like that nepenthes on my neocities page.

[–] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've been predicting this for a while now and people kept telling me I was wrong. Prepare for dot com burst two, electric boogaloo.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I hope it crashes but what if the market completely embraces feels-based economics and just says that incomprehensible AI slop noise is what customers crave? Maybe CEOs will interpret AI gibberish output in much the same way as ancient high priests made calls by sifting through the entrails of sacrificed animals. Tesla meme stock is evidence that you can defy all known laws of economic theory and still just coast by.

[–] tostos@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

fill up your free cloud services with ai generated info. i mean thousand text file. like "how to make homemade butterfly". all of them will scrap by ai.

[–] Plesiohedron@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Human society does the same thing.

We're ok when we talk about what we saw.

Less so when we talk about what somebody else saw.

Crazier and crazier when we talk about what somebody said about what somebody said about what somebody saw. Which is arguably the internet.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The great news is that these ponze schemes will either collapse or spend the next decade trying to fix it by creating algorithms which detect AI content so as to filter it out.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 96 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another problem I've realized today, is the proliferation of data that was originally hallucinated by AI.

I was discussing an issue on a software with a coworker and he asked an AI for help configure around it. He then sent me "apparently we can try changing this setting to this value". I told him to first validate if that setting really existed because AI tends to make up things like that when it's what you would want to hear and running a test would take us 20~30 minutes.

He found some discussions about that setting not working as people expected. "ok at least it exists then" and we tried it. It didn't work. I later cloned the source of that software and checked, the setting didn't exist - ever.

[–] alaphic@lemmy.world 89 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I love that you even specifically said, "Yea, let's check to make sure that setting exists to begin with." To which instead of actually fucking checking, they proceed to google more about the setting and use someone else's 'discussion' online of it not working as proof that it does exist, even though they were likely having that discussion because the setting didn't exist.

This is also how I can tell this story is 100% true.

I don't miss working support at all and am reminded of it like this daily

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

The benefit of working with open source code bases or being able to check the source for existing features.

It's very common for there to be hidden settings, with open source one can look at the code based but with closed source a search may be one's only hope.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 66 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Garbage in, garbage out.

Who could have possibly predicted that?

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

This has always been true, but LLMs have expedited the process by taking the garbage out and sticking it right back into the input.

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's very tempting to have schadenfreude about this failure but also disgusting that so much has been invested in it that should have been put to better use.

It's just another example of a system whose narrow definition of success is taking human and environmental value and using it to extract more. It's not aimed at solving worthwhile problems or making things better, which is why people are becoming more miserable and the planet is getting wrecked.

You could say that it's the system we live in which is the AI, feeding on itself and becoming more sick.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

So, reading this article, it's not about model collapse, but about RAG - letting the AI model google the question essentially. The problem is, the first 10 pages of google search results are all low effort adfarming slop sites, because of course it is, which is making the answers from the AI worse, as these slop sites often have incorrect or otherwise unproofed articles, which biases the AI to fork out the wrong answer.

I'm sure the major AI services will try and fix this with some slop site detection routines.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Mad AI Disease.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yesterday, there was the usual slew of artificial computer-generated news stories on YouTube about GM closing down all factories in north america (happens about once a month).

Well I typed in "is GM closing down in the US" in Google and the Gemini generated answer said "Yes, GM has announced the closure of all plants in the US" and put up those fake YT videos as reference....

I’m sure the major AI services will try and fix this with some slop site detection routines.

They already do this through data determination routines in LLMs, unfortunately they suffer from the same type of infection as the data itself.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago

You probably would get better results from literally any other AI Gemini is routinely the worst. I don't know what Google are playing at surely they could actually put some real effort into this but they just seem to be doing it in the most naive way possible.

It comes to something when the Chinese are been the most innovative.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago

Good. Poison the AI well. Rot this shit to the ground.

[–] _druid@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aww boo hoo, did someone generate a degenerative feedback loop? Yeah? Did someone make a big ol' oppsy whoopsy that's gunna accelerate in hallucinations and slop as it collapses in on itself? How's the coded version of a microphone whine going to go, you silly buttholes?

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People are putting AI generated pitfalls to guard their content.

They reference nonsense links that usually cannot even be seen by normal users, the AI reads the pages and finds more garbage links even as more are generated by the site.

[–] _druid@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

It's just so unfortunate that, in causing AI to delve down these winding paths, to propagate these slopfest feedback loops, the computers that are running the AI are burning real resources, polluting our atmosphere.

Unfortunate is not the right word to describe the deep lament I feel, to cause such destruction for so little, if any, gain at all. My heart is heavy with regret for us all. Not just you and I, but for beast, bird, plant as well. Such a shame.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good. Eat yourself you technological prion disease.

[–] masta_chief@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

This is a rare insult and I like it

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh no! I HOPE us Taxpayers can Bail Out these AI Companies when they go Under! AFTER ALL we CUT my Child's LIFESAVING MEDICATION so I KNOW we have the Funds to Help these Poor Billionaire CEOS!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Help these Poor Billionaire CEOS!

Right, self-made billionaires for whom the way to success was already paved by subsidies. Yes, those surely need help to "build" absolutely pointless non-working projects that are supposed to "save humanity". That's great. /$

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