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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 189 points 6 days ago (5 children)

It’s reliable, it’s simple, it’s free, and virtually everyone who uses the internet has one. Email won’t be replaced for a LONG time.

[–] billbasher@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

There’s kinda no replacement

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 82 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (18 children)

To be fair, if it is "free" you are probably paying your mail provider with your data.

[–] cdf12345@lemm.ee 66 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I assume he meant free like speech, not free like beer.

There are no gatekeepers to email, anyone can get a domain and their own server.

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 62 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There are definitely gatekeepers. Even if your hosting provider isn’t blocking port 25 by default, SPF, DKIM and DMARC will see your emails going straight into the recipient’s junk folder/spam filter if not correctly configured. Hosting your own mail server at home is also a fantastic way to piss off your ISP, lose emails to downtime, have your IP blacklisted from many services and open up your environment to exploitation. It can be done but let’s not pretend that it’s easy or that there aren’t barriers to entry.

Mail servers are like filo pastry. Sure, you could go to the inconvenience and effort of making it yourself and I’m sure it’ll be very satisfying to do so. But 99% of professionals use the store bought version, and for good reason, because it’s a lot of effort for an end result that is no better and in all likelihood probably worse.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

SPF, DKIM, and DMARC would like to have a gatekeeping word

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 75 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Sidenote: Remember when having an email address was enough, you didn't have to have a fucking phone number as well? Stop trying to de-anonymize the internet, you're making more problems than you're solving

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 6 days ago

They're not trying to solve any problem beyond their own, potential resistance to false authority.

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[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 83 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's why SMS still exists too. It's from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money. Big tech conglomerates like we have now didn't exist. The state of the tech industry and it's proprietary standards is absolutely fucked.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Google is trying to kill SMS. My new android by default has sms disabled, defaulting to RCS with "try sending sms instead if rcs fails to send" option being off by default, which makes no sense from user perspective

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

RCS is actually a huge improvement over SMS, as it is fully encrypted. One of the few times I've ever approved of something Google did...

[–] spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If only it was an open standard...

[–] Bman915@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It... is? It's an open standard that anyone can use and implement. The main provider is Google and there has been a huge push from them to get Apple to adopt, which they mostly have. It's not 'owned' by any company. It's predominantly serviced by Google, but is in fact an open standard. Google and others have their own format which is how they and their apps interpret and interact with each other, but it is an open standard. There are some backend and requirements for it which stops most from setting it up and implementing off the shelf and just going with Google, but you absolutely could use and make your own format with the standard.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

SMS was never intended to be available to end users. It was built as a side channel to help field techs with diagnostics. When consumer handsets started to add features, it was co-opted to provide what we know it as today.

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[–] vvvvv@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It’s from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money.

SMS is literally from a time when every mobile phone manufacturer had their on charger plug. And some tried pushing proprietary headphone jacks.

Vendors LOVE vendor lock-in.

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 75 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thousands of years after humanity has destroyed itself with nuclear weapons...

As the sun peeks through the gray clouds and lights up a solar panel...

A long-forgotten server hums to life...

And sends an email...

"Attention Required: Your Order is Delayed"

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We've been trying to reach you about your car insurance

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

See my h0t n4ked body here ---->
getallmylinkscom/usr/urieoop0oooojwhwhfb

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mail has the big advantage of being totally cross platform. And it works, basically everywhere.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

All the application protocols were supposed to be cross-platform! It’s something the corporatisation of the net undermined to an extent

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It’s because it isn’t a silo?

Discord, Slack and a bajillion similar apps do not meld with other apps. Email just happened to hit critical mass before “let’s try to get a monopoly” became the slogan of all tech, and collectively Big Tech is too stupid/hostile to replace it with some cooperative protocol.

iMessage is another pure example of this.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 16 points 6 days ago (4 children)

There are tons of open messaging protocols that have been replaced by closed ones. For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

For some reason, likely tied to how it is used, email survived as an open protocol.

[–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

IRC lacks a massive amount of features that discord users typically want. Screensharing, VCs with group and camera support, built-in history (don't need to use a bouncer like on IRC), built-in online GIF searcher and sender with one click, huge community of bots that use discord's API to do anything from games to moderation.

It isn't even close.

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[–] Walop@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I guess that's why someone decided to build a chat app on the email protocol and infrastructure.

https://delta.chat/en/

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I work in B2B IT support, and email is designed to be very async, and for the most part it still is. What I can say with certainty is that business folks expect email to be instant like synchronous platforms are... It's not, it never will be... It's gotten about as close as it can be, but it is not, and will never be, instant delivery, no matter how much they want it to be.

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[–] Magnus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I still have a weird email friend who refuses to chat over any apps and I totally can respect that. :)

[–] sw1tchm0th@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

cool of you to keep in contact with them :) i have always wanted to do this but i know it would isolate me and inconvenience others just to communicate with me

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 34 points 6 days ago (8 children)

It's an ongoing debate in one of the projects I work with if we should move to a more forge oriented development process. For all it's faults email does provide a good record of discussion as well as evidence of review.

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The old internet was a crucible for robust software. Slow, small, unreliable, the very protocols that send data over the wire and through the air had to build in all kinds of fail-safe features to even approach usefulness. From this we got things like email (POP & SMTP), internet relay chat (IRC), and the world-wide web (HTTP). Things used to be so bad, that these technologies endure as extremely over-built in the modern era. And if things get worse, it will keep working as it always has. They'll probably stick with us because of that.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 23 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Reality is everyone has an email, and everyone will keep having an email. My 10 year old has an email so they could sign up to epic and steam. You basically need it to use the internet at all. So of course it will survive.

Outside of business though, when was the last time you sent an email to someone you know?

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

My mother uses email for nearly everything. I'm 31 now, but in high school she'd email me from the basement that dinner is ready.

Just last month I received this... we chat on WhatsApp and phone calls regularly as well.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's cute. She treats it like writing letters or maybe postcards given the length of the message.

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[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

asynchronous

Any form of text based communication is asynchronous

[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

as in the server chats with another

Centralized servers in which 2 users talk can be considered "synchronous" because they get the message nearly instantly, but yea, we often use NoSQL async calls for instant messaging apps

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

For the people, yes.

With email, message delivery can be async as well.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 22 points 6 days ago

I hope the Fediverse will prove similarly resilient.

[–] billbasher@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

You can do it from a terminal. Us Linux kids will never let it die.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IRC and forums as well to a lesser extent.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 19 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Much much lesser. IRC has basically died to successors. Everybody still uses email sometimes.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Forums are still banging around however. Lots of places still use them, and thank god for that.

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[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

deltachat is awesome

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

That is why everyone should be using Delta Chat

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I need an alternative to gmail for creating new email accounts. Any ideas?

[–] brot@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Get a cheap hosting plan. You'll get a domain, several mailboxes and you can mess around with services like Nextcloud

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[–] deur@feddit.nl 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Matrix, IRC, XMPP

Also Email is useful and you probably shouldn't waste your time consuming info from people who think otherwise.

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[–] MissingGhost@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also Usenet. Still around after decades. As long as people are hosting news servers, it will stay. The original decentralized protocol.

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