I would have thought that Berlin's police overreach might have been dealt with sometime since the last world war, but I guess I was just hopeful.
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The criminalisation of the slogan "from the river to the sea" in Germany is absolutely ludicrous and shameful.
I totally can understand why some people see this as a call for the elimination of Israel and the murdering or deportation of all jews that live there. You might disagree, but: Many people view that slogan like this and they have their reasons. And it really is stupid from the protestors to run around during a massive police presence shouting that. It's totally obvious that nothing will we gained by that. Peace in the middle east will not come because you shouted that slogan in the streets of Berlin. Palestinians and Israelis won't start a dialogue and become friends.
That's such an absurd framing. There exist already countless fantastic initiatives for promoting dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians. Dialogue at the civil society level has been going on forever. There is nowhere near a lack of dialogue. The problem is not that Palestinians and Israelis haven't started a dialogue, the problem is that Israel is occupying, discriminating, colonizing, brutalizing, murdering, stealing land and ethnically cleansing as a matter of state policy.
It is in this backdrop that good dialogue initiatives are being also delegitimized and stigmatized. On the ground in Palestine but also in the West. In Germany things are so absurd that Israeli Jews and non Israeli Jews who speak out against this madness are being stigmatized as ..."antisemitic".
And in this background you have a national liberation slogan of the oppressed side being maliciously misinterpreted in the worst possible bad faith way. Effectively it forces the discussion to be first and foremost about Israeli comfort, and everything else being secondary. It is absolutely a ludicrous and shameful framing of the whole discourse.
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What makes you think so?
How do you see that slogan in the context of Israel's existence, given the (potential) relation mentioned in the article?
Yeah, it's really shameful to lament a genocide while advocating for a genocide... but your propaganda-induced brain damage causes impressive cognitive dissonance.
The only way to understand the slogan as a call for genocide is if you have accepted the premise that "a Free Palestine Must Necessarily Mean The Extermination Of Jews". And that is a profoundly fucked up thing to say.
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According to the police, one officer was dragged into the crowd, forced to the ground and trampled on. The 36-year-old reportedly suffered severe injuries to his upper body, including a broken arm, and remains in the hospital.
Just your friendly neighbourhood demonstration. Nothing to see here, move along.
Armed gang of men show up to a peaceful protest to commit violence and are surprised when they are retaliated against. Gtfo
Just look for "police violence palestine protests berlin" and you will find countless of videos of cops beating up people for no reason, using excessive force, beating up people already on the ground and in custody, choking people unconcious. There was a small outcry about a year ago when videos emerged of cops randomly shoving a women outside any group of people to the fround and another video of a cop throwing a women around by her neck, a move that could have easily broke her neck and killed her.
Also the police is notorious for lying about attacks on officers, so the claim he would have been "dragged into the crowd" should be taken with a big grain of salt, unless there is video evidence of it. I think it is more probable that he fell over when the police stormed in and his colleagues retreated. And well when you keep punching, kicking, body slamming and choking people, there could come a point when they loose their cool.
For demonstrations in Berlin police has been looking to escalate violence to discredit protests at every possibility over the past years. Human rights and civil rights organizations are criticising increasing repressions against demonstrations especially increasing police violence. Aside from protests for the rights of Palestinians climate protests are particular targets. Berlins police uses violence against women and minors in particular because they know it is a reliable way to escalate violence.
On thursday Berlins police already banned the demonstration from moving at all. Police came with two water throwers and 600 officers to begin with. They were out for blood.
Some scences from thursday and other prtests over the past year and a half. Note that his is not even the tip of the iceberg.
https://youtube.com/shorts/h_gjZdx4MqU
https://youtube.com/shorts/wDFKlXoqeXg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=c6Jlj8shfVM
https://youtube.com/shorts/s0q0zd8t5fo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=exRIsj73QUQ
To add to that. This is not a Gaza-Israel problem, but a Berlin police being especially violent against any sort of left leaning protest. They were extremely hard on climate protest before that. Part of that being a lawful conviction for using a pain grip.
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The police could learn to keep their distance and stop instigating violence. If you push people they'll push back. If you're armed expect them to not give you a chance to use your weapon.
The lesson here is let people do their peaceful protesting and you won't necessitate violence.
This isn't a right-wing protest, this crowd doesn't want violence, it wants to be heard. This crowd is willing to use violence to ensure it's right to be heard is preserved.
Until I can see some evidence that the unarmed crowd instigated violence against the armed police I'm going to consider the armed police to be the instigators since they showed up armed and then approached a crowd of people who were voicing their opinion.
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