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...Because That Is What Un-electable Weasels Do (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by pubquiz@lemmy.world to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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CBC Site Of course the Ottawa resident isn't going to leave Stornoway and move to his suburban McMansion. Unemployable as he is, finding a mover who'll take "I'm sure to win the next election!" as a guarantee of payment is, ummmm, sketchier than most movers will accept.

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[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

in response to all "it's just practical" posts: politics is not about practical (esp. in PP's case) but about optics and gestures. Politician who wants to project integrity and confidence would make it known that they will not be using the place that doesn't belong to them until such time that it becomes OK again. There needs not to be a "move" even, but the gesture of not utilizing residence could go a long way. Alternative is a projection of entitlement and arrogance.

Consider this: if you're working for corporation and reside in corporation-sponsored residence, you'd be expected to vacate the place within rather short timeframe despite the fact that you've supplied your resume to HR for position that just opened. And considering that PP views are very corporate I see disconnect with rhetoric.

[–] pubquiz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This is the point. L'il pp gets to keep his fancier Ottawa address that Canadians fund. Cause it has the patina of fiscal prudence for his troll and troglodite cultists.

But it'd be L'il pp having fits of unthinkable pearl clutching and calling to fetch the fainting couch if any other political loser tried to freeload any amount of time in Stornoway.

And Scheer's lickspittle response is disingenuous at best, more likely calculated to garner him a bigger prize for his fealty and supposed sacrifice.

Hypocrisy and fraud are the only true goals of L'il pp's populist kleptocracy. Not fairness. Not governance. Just what's in it for me.

As for the diversionary whataboutism posted by bot accounts - thanks for showing up and revealing how your shallow your opinions really are. Lib = bad. L'il pp = good. Should vote NDP to split the left.

We get it. Divide and conquer. Just like the gop and the orange baboon's ass did in 'Murica.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Enjoy your retirement funded by Canadians while book-burning in Floriduh!! !

L'il pp making new friends with domestic terrorists.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Honestly I do think it’s fair for him to stay considering he will 99% for sure win his dumb by election and have to move back in anyway. I picture it reversed with the NDP or something and I’d think the same thing. I do think it’s stupid that I KNOW people would be losing their minds if the NDP or Liberals were in the same position though.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

His lack of integrity is on full display. Campaigning to "vote for change", not accepting the change his constituents voted for, then clearly taking advantage of taxpayer funded housing really just shows the true colours of both him and the CPC.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Agreed. This is American style storm in a teacup politics when we have bigger fish to fry -including his actual failures as a parliamentarian and lawmaker. It will cost more to move him out and in again, and putting his autistic daughter through two moves for “optics” is just dumb. Keep pointing out that he’s such a weak leader they needed to hand him the easiest seat in Canada on a platter, and /that/ will do more damage than pretending anyone cares about him staying rent free in Stornaway for a couple months.

[–] upbeatWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't like the guy but I understand that the riding that he is going to run in is most likely to elect him so he will be back as official opposition party leader. I can understand not having it move in and out just for a few months. It would be a completely different if he also lose the Alberta riding tho

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

You never know, the longest ballot committee is also running in that by-election. Might just be too confusing for the troglos that live in that riding. One can dream.

[+] toastmeister@lemmy.ca -28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

They just want to crap on the guy to justify voting for a banker who stole most of Pierres platform, and now made the housing minister someone who said he wants prices to rise, and a finance minister who won't release a budget for 2 years.

The "generational fairness" capital gains tax rolled back, the promise of cheaper housing rolled back, more debt to pay developer fees so that boomers property taxes can stay low, meanwhile the NDP is now dead.

We all need to gaslight ourselves that we made a good decision, but at least Brookfield's residential real estate portfolio looks fantastic.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A 2 week old account posting over 250 times in that tiny duration, spending every single post completely blasting the Liberals and pretending to care about the NDP.

Hmmm...

Not sure I've ever seen such an egregious case of being on someone's payroll. Then again, I guess there's a chance this is someone so cripplingly, unapologetically far down the right-wing misinformation pipeline that they've completely lost control of their life and spend every waking moment trying to get images of the Liberals inviting immigrants into Canada and shutting down oil pipelines out of their heads.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

I have a feeling the NDP would do something to fix housing and help the created wealth inequality in the long run, I think if they won they could attract some better party members and talent, and get some voices speaking about the crazy injustices in what we are doing to the youth. I do hate the party in its current incarnation, due to the exact reason they lost party status, they were a party of lapdogs.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Elections are always about the best choice from the options available. NDP were always going to get crushed, so this was the best possible outcome.

People need to stop seeing voting as an agreement with or support for everything a candidate does.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You need to stop suckling at the teat of MAGA oligarch owned corporate propaganda media. Pierre Polievre ran a campaign of grievance and, "I'm not Justin Trudeau." Other than, "Neither am I" Carney had an actual platform with actual plans. Pierre Polievre had nothing. That's is why he lost.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Piss off with that MAGA red herring nonsense, you ate up the kool-aid around Trump, but Canada has had negative per capita GDP growth since Trudeau was elected. The Liberals have shit the bed on every metric, and Carney is essentially running with the same plan and the same cabinet.

Reading his book its quite clear what he thinks of energy production, whereas Canada is a petro state, in 2016 when oil fell our stock market fell 20%. We have had terrible performance and terrible wage gains. Carney also wants to replace the carbon tax with carbon border adjustments, tariffs on foreign emitters, which is closer to Trumps plan.

The only recent reprieve in our economy since the Liberals were elected was when we inflated GDP using mass immigration to depress salaries, as the BoC was buying all the Covid stimulus, and they forced unions back to work. We essentially debased our standard of living to raise stock valuations, and were buying half of all issued mortgage bonds to inflate real estate valuations, prior to that Canada has had abysmal performance and our alarm level productivity investment and capital swallowing is clear.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.

MAGA?

https://youtu.be/R59JmC0u63I

Here is the verifiable the truth.

We have a AAA credit rating.

We have the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the entire G7…
Over 1.1 Million more Candians are employed compared to before the pandemic, marking the fastest job recovery rate in the entire G7.
Inflation has been reduced to 2.8%. Expected to be 2% by the end of 2024.
The IMF and the OECD predict that Canada will have the largest economic growth of the entire G7 in 2025.
Canada received the highest per capita foreign investment in the entire G7 in the first 3 quarters of 2023.
Canada avoided the recession expected by many forecasters, with real GDP rising by 1.1 per cent in 2023, over three times higher than what was forecasted in Budget 2023 (0.3 per cent).

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The AAA credit rating includes our ability to liquidate our pension, which is not ever happening. Read the last economic statement by Freeland and it has a footnote.

Debt to GDP excludes provincial debt, which is just a technicality versus how other countries calculate it. Combined we are near 100%.

Inflation is somewhat reduced due to how we calculate it, and the fact we bought 50% of all mortgage bonds federally to depress shelter inflation.

How old was the OECD estimate, given 80% of exports are bound to the US it seems ridiculous, and they've recently brought it down as well to a third%: https://www.ainvest.com/news/oecd-cuts-canada-s-2025-and-2026-growth-forecasts-to-0-7-from-2-250310000435138d2a871176/

The recession was avoided due to mass immigration. Per capita we lost to inflation since Trudeau took over.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Inflation in Canada is 2%. Inflation in the US is 4%. Inflation in most of the world is higher than in Canada.

Canada is in better shape that most of the rest of the world. If Polievre had had anything other than, "I'm going to fix everything but can't tell you how and I'm not Justin Trudeau" he might have had a chance against Carney. If he didn't spew MAGA bullshit and grievance he might have had a chance against Carney. Canada isn't going to fall apart no matter how much the maple MAGA crowd want to believe that it will.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

We did mass immigration to lower wage pressure and inflation as we bought half of all mortgage bonds to depress shelter inflation and encourage Canadians to take on full recourse loans to for-profit banks. The liberals are the sum of the worst parts of Cons and NDP, offering massive spending coupled with low taxes, on the worst impulse of voters who live in a fantasy where you can have both.

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/swp2019-6.pdf

This outlines how QE causes wealth inequality in the short term, as asset prices rise. In the long term unemployment falls, and wages rise from greater wage pressure. So according to this study the created wage pressure reverses the wealth inequality caused by QE.

My question is why we did 4% population growth via immigration and why we allowed students to work 40 hours a week to forcefully decrease wage pressure, reversing the labor shortage, entrenching the short term inequality. It seems hard to believe a progressive would do such a thing, as it appears to have greatly exacerbated wealth inequality.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's cute that you think that electing someone who would cut taxes on the rich, cut benefits for the poor (anyone who doesn't use a million dollar yacht as a tender for their billion dollar yacht is poor), and run up over $100 billion of debt over the next four years then lose an election and blame the Liberals for the mess would be a better choice. If you think for one second that a Conservative jingoist would do anything for the working class you should move to the US and vote for Trump.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Well if he can do better economically I think Canadian wages and productivity would rise. Look at the stock market since before the Covid stimulus, you didn't go up in 6 years, then Caroline Rogers saying its an emergency and that there is a dearth of investment.

We covered up wages and productivity with population growth and capital shallowing. Now we can't even release a budget, what does that say to investors?

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

It's reasonable to take time to get his cabinet in place and to start to implement some of his fiscal plans. They will release a budget in a few months and we will be none the worse for it.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

who stole most of Pierres platform

Dumb-ass argument/complaint. If its what people want, then its not a 0 sum game. Why the hell are the libs (or any party) not allowed to agree on something that the other parties proposed and the Canadian public want? Libs have 'stolen' the NDP platform for years. As someone who prefers NDP to lib, this is a GOOD thing, because it means when theyre elected, they can actually implement it (in theory). That being said, I don't like ANY of those policies, and didn't vote lib.

If they have the same platform/policies, but Carney was still elected that tells you how little people like or believe in Pierre. Honestly, Pierre lost the election by failing to leap into defense of Canada. I watched too many clips of him wiffle-waffling or blaming Liberals for the trade war, and that's not something that inspires trust in leadership.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Because debt loads. Cutting taxes while increasing spending is reckless and stupid, and leads to investors fleeing Canada, leading to the current productivity crisis Canada has. Citing the BoC.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

I heard he stole this kitty’s look and vibe.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

Yes but have you considered that they can throw this at him any time they want?

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Eh, I hate the guy but I don't really care how much of a whiney little hypocrite this makes him, because I already knew all that.

The extent to which I care about this is the extent to which I can use it to point out hypocrisy on the right. Which isn't honestly very much since they don't care about being hypocrites.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

This man is an unelected grifter and squatter.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When's that byelection happening?

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

If everything goes as the cons plan, August 5th at the earliest.