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Russia is responsible for downing MH17 over Ukraine in 2014, global aviation agency's council finds (apnews.com)

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

Duh

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Russian state must be destroyed by all means short of overt, kinetic war. Russia has always been and will always be a scourge on humanity.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I always lived my life by a rule. Never trust a ruski.

Now I can use the same rule at home. Never trust a MAGAt.

[+] Count042@lemmy.ml -38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The US killed more people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have no problem with your statement, but unless it applies to the US, I have to wonder why.

Like, is it the skin color of the people Russia killed vs the skin color of the people the US killed?

Probably nobody on earth is responsible for more death then the British empire.

Do you hold the same views of Britain?

Edit: to be clear, I'm not the person that down voted your comment.

EDIT EDIT: I'm downvoting you now when you doubled down on the racism.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish we could say and all agree "right that's it no more being cunts everybody be cool from now on OK?"

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago

That'd be a nice world to live in. I'd love to live there.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're fucking insane if you think the US killed over 20 million people worldwide. Stalin alone killed that many in the USSR. Not that I believe for a second that you're arguing in good faith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Oh buddy. Vietnam and Korea alone is something like 5 millions deaths. You want me to keep going?

You wanna talk about the Bengal famine?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

5 million for Russia right there, though in their defense, they're really trying to pump those numbers up this time.

If only the damn Ukrainians would stop causing so much fuss so they could be properly genocided in a civilized and orderly manner...

[+] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You're completely missing the point. My issue isn't what Russian leaders did or didn't do. It's the selective outrage. Before outward criticism must come introspection. Otherwise you clearly don't actually care about these things happening.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Ukrainian genocide doesn't need introspection.

THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Would you tell jews being sent to auschwitz right now to 'use proper introspection:?

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I certainly would tell the Zionist Jews who are currently committing genocide, and the regimes that support them, that they need some deep fucking introspection, that's for sure. Interesting that you wouldn't bring that up.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Stop "whatabouting" this thread. Fuck Russia for what's going in Ukraine. They don't get absolved because "others do it too you guuuuyyyyys", and neither does Israel.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. Keep going. Get to 20 million that Stalin alone killed, at a minimum. I’ll wait. Also, the Bengal Famine had fuck all to do with the United States.

[+] Count042@lemmy.ml -15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Jesus. You're just going straight fucking racist here, but you're too historically ignorant to be aware of it.

I'm guessing it was intentional that you didn't touch the British empire. There is no analysis you can do that would have any other government kill more people than the British empire. Should TERF Island "Be destroyed by all means short of overt, kinetic war"?

I mean, there is actual continuity between the current British Government and the British Empire. The Russian government doesn't have anywhere near the same level of continuity.

And I am arguing in good faith. You may not enjoy the cognitive dissonance of having someone point out your obvious racism, but that doesn't make me not believe you're a racist that gets off on feeling self righteous. That is something I truly believe.

Just like the US killed far more Iraqi and Afghani's than Russia killed Ukrainians. SO FAR. That may eventually not be true anymore, but it is an absolute fact now. And facts aren't a bad faith argument.

You know what is a bad faith argument? Ignoring the points in the comment that you are responding to that prove you're either wrong or racistly holding a double standard based on ... something? That is also something I absolutely believe and am arguing in good faith. Although, I suspect that you don't actually know what "bad faith" means.

You know what is also a bad faith argument? Calling someone insane for a strawman argument that you made up. I didn't claim America kill more than 20 million people worldwide. What I did state was that the US kill more Iraqis and Afghani's than Russia killed Ukrainians. Both were illegal invasions.

You don't care about justice. Stop pretending you do.

EDIT:
Iraq - Afghanistan: 4 million Vietnam - Korea: 5 million The Jakarta Method: 1 million

There's at least half of the number that you think justifies destroying a nation that isn't related to the one you're talking about.

What percentage of 20 million deaths crosses the threshold you have for countries that should be destroyed?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not racist to hate Russians, anymore than it's racist to hate nazis. The race is Slav.

I know people who suffered under the iron curtain, I know Czechs who watched the tanks come through whenever they tried to speak their minds.

If Russia had stayed in their shit country where they belong then everybody would have been happy to pretend they didn't exist, but they didn't.

There is absolutely no hope to not have war.

Russia can't help themselves, they must keep pushing till they reimpose the hell of the soviet union on their neighbors, it is the extension of the moscovy empire above all, and even most Russians hate the ruling power of Moscow.

I welcome your deranged response.

[+] Count042@lemmy.ml -19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I don't need to respond with anything. The racism is absolutely clear to anyone reading your words.

I'm also willing to bet you don't feel the same way about the English.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I don't have a problem with the English.

Nor do I have a problem with most countries.

Russia are the exception, they have only ever brought misery and brutality.

Ironically enough, their worst victims were always their Slavic brothers.

Talk about raicsm, why do they hate their own race so? You don't pull a Holodomor without a lot of deep-seated hatred.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I think you two are missing each other. One is regionally focussed and responding to the immediacy of a regional crisis; the rhetoric is to encourage action that will alleviate the regional crisis, including an appeal to globalism. The other is enforcing a global viewpoint that tries to trump any regional concerns out of principle and the rhetoric is aimed at the global forum that is lemmy.

Horse vs pony. Whatever, people.

The quibbles over the categorization niceties turn into accusations of racism. Which may or may not be active in this situation but the evidence is not established well enough for the accusation, which is simply a rhetorical trump card here.

Sadly, the state of discourse is so poisonous that ethnicity, which is real, is being swapped out for race, which is not real.

[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whataboutism.
Commenter said Russian state, not Russian people.
I know you'll ignore this, but this will help other readers sniff out your bullshit.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stylist logical fallacy to ever come about solely to justify American war mongering. Use your fucking brain and try to have a memory that lasts longer than 5 minutes.
What do you think happens to the Russian people? America did this in the 90's when the Russian people were stupid enough to trust America. The average life expectency for Russian men dropped 20 years. Millions died.

I swear to god, Larry Summers is probably the most evil man still alive now that Kissinger is dead. Most horrible things, not associated with war, can be traced back to him.

I honestly have no idea why liberals and conservatives love this racist sexist duck bag. He's also the one that was heading up Harvard when he stated that women were genetically less capable then men at math and science.

Not bullshit. I just happen to have a functional memory and don't hate the daily enemy people when my countries media tells me to. You might want to try that, as well as trying to actually remember events that happened longer than 6 months ago.

EDIT: I was going to fix the formatting issue, but the Larry Summers bit does stand on it's own.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You're getting downvoted but I highly doubt the commenter responded in such a way to the downing of Iranian Air Flight 655. The double standard in international law and selective outrage is a huge part of how these things continue to happen.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 5 points 2 months ago

Russia would never do this! Putin is a peace loving and reasonable guy

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

Only took 11 years...