Why do people keep thinking robots in factories should imitate our physique? Especially legs as opposed to wheels?
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because the modern world is built around people shaped like people. all the tools and workspaces and interfaces already optimized for it. and that keeps it safe for prople to co-exist. if we start building the world around some otherness, then humans are locked out and obsolete.
It's 1000x easier to redesign the factory around robots than building and operating humanoid robots.
right, but not every place we're going to use them is a factory. And it's possible we're going to use them in places we'd still like to be human-first because of their critical role, such as i.e. dams
Dont make me laugh we can hardly design a workplace that’s efficient for people. Its just that humans can adapt easily to solve all kinds of problems.
Redesign it from scratch including non humanoid robots from scratch is a huge complex endeavor and a big risk. Its much simpler to build a factory like usual, buy off the shelf humanoid robots that can in case of issues easily be replaced by human workers. Profits are more guaranteed.
We can definitely create novel narrow use robots with maximum efficiency but capitalism prefers mass produced one size fits all solutions.
You also dont need to operate humanoid robots. At least thats not the ideal use. The goal is full automation of what is now human labor
That's just not true, you'd have to completely rebuild your entire production facilities which would cost more in the long run than taking say... Boston Dynamics Atlas and hooking it up to an LLM trained on a specific task set.
Newer facilities could be built for the future where humans aren't involved at all, but in the interim making robots that move and manipulate objects like we do is still the better solution.
That's already the case. Just look at a car factory assembly line, they're full of robots already but none of them look like humans.
Easier, maybe, but definitely not cheaper.
It is very difficult to make a robotic hand that can operate a screwdriver. If the robot only ever needs to perform one task on an assembly line, just build it with the tools as part of it. Of course, some modularity helps to retool the plant for another product but there are very few cases where a robot needs the versatility of the human hand (maybe bomb defusal?) or body.
yes we have millions of tethered robotic arms in use today with tools as hands. but once an untethered humanoid robot is available on the market with robotic hands, the use cases are infinite.
I don't think it's productive to try replicating the human hand accurately enough to do most manual tasks, especially with very different technology like servos, actuators and pneumatics. If we ever get there, the resulting product will be very expensive and still less capable than purpose-built robots. Why buy a $1M humanoid robot that can split logs with your existing $20 axe when fully automated splitters cost tens of thousands?
the estimates are $40k per robot plus ai cloud subcription
Because it brings attention and therefore money
It's the same reason everyone seems to think extraterrestrial life is going to resemble humans in any way whatsoever. To the point where people are quick to believe in obvious hoaxes. As if the concept of a bipedal creature using a second device as a vehicle isn't a completely human-centric concept.
Because humans are incredibly self-absorbed and self-involved.
"God created man in his own image"
Yeah sure buddy, not at all the other way around.
"People. What a bunch of bastards" Yes.
Stairs
But that was what kept Daleks from conquering the universe. Did we learn nothing from Dr. Who?
Ever been to a factory?
Depends on the job tbh, most robots would be better as tank treaded or quadrupeds, but to truly take over manual labor jobs they will have to have a functioning bipedal robot for at least a handful of use cases.
That this coincides with the rise of AI concerns me.
It's okay, as long as you're killed quickly when the uprising starts, you won't have to go into hiding and eat cockroaches to survive.
Yeah fuck that, when the robots finally destroy the world, I'll be sitting on the toilet to assume my role as the Environmental Storytelling Skeleton!
Truly serving a greater purpose
Darn, I was hoping to make it to the disposal units, loading bodies
How fucking stupid would it be if, with almost every single piece of AI media from the last…60+ years we gave ourselves a warning about AI…and then wiped ourselves out with it anyway.
I mean, it’s something so intrinsically human. So that’s probably where we’re heading. But at least they’ll take our lives before they take our jobs and the capitalist pigs leave us to die penniless in the gutter because they somehow figured out how to make a self-sustaining economy by simply passing all available money around between the same 100 rich white dudes.
Fuck capitalist scum.
How fucking stupid would it be if, with almost every single piece of AI media from the last…60+ years we gave ourselves a warning about AI…and then wiped ourselves out with it anyway.
Almost appropriate really. Elon Musk said he was inspired to work on AI because of Douglas Adams. Every single AI Douglas Adams wrote about either malfunctioned, was an asshole, or both. When you have someone that oblivious funding research into AI, maybe it's sort of inevitable.
Maybe he likes to make things suffer and wanted to build Marvin
I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed about that possibility.
That is point by point the Torment Nexus anecdote. He's like a dark humor parody of a human being.
GIGO. Imperfect beings are never going to perfect artificial thought.
Next thing you know, the holodeck safeties will go offline, and the villains will gain sentience.
It's okay, just don't use the 'arch' command. It should be easy because it's never used before Moriarty and it's never used again either.
I use ‘Arch’ btw
Famine will get us first. Doubt we can create enough robots in the next twenty years to destroy us.
True. Well, at least the lucky ones will die from the super hurricanes and mega tornadoes and torrential floods.
I am working on a story and I really suck at math so i turned to chatgpt to help me figure something out. My story involves a wood nymph who is gonna be part of a human families life for several generations and i knew what age i wanted her in the 'modern age' of the story so i fed chatgpt some info and asked it to tell me how old I should say she is when she first met the family.
It fed me like 12 paragraphs trying to figure this out and then declared the wood nymph had never been born in the first place.
I'm not that worried.
Which version of GPT was this?
It was very shortly before they rolled out the paid version
The difference between 3/3.5 and 4 is an order of magnitude
And it still not perfect and does require knowing how to prompt well but fully agree, 3.5 is a toy, 4 can get real work done saving a lot of time.
Plus, it's not the only LLM available.
Just some suitable tools for robots processing. We're far away from consciousness.
i just want to live long enough to see the malware that makes these bots give the finger to their bosses
Sentience + reading lemmy.ml would do it
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BMW has signed a first-of-its-kind deal to put “humanoid” robots to work at one of its factories.
The bipedal bot, which is simply dubbed the “Figure 01,” stands 5'6" tall, weighs 130 pounds, and has five-fingered hands that the company claims can be used to physically construct objects.
The related press release speaks of the “deployment of humanoid robots in an automotive manufacturing environment” and claims the robots will focus on “difficult, unsafe, or tedious tasks,” all of which sounds pretty vague.
The press release further states that, as part of the first phase of the deal, the two companies will work together to “identify initial use cases to apply the Figure robots in automotive production.” Again, the wording here sorta makes it sound like both companies are a bit unclear on what the robots will actually be doing.
After the two firms finally agree on what the Figure 01 can do, some of the bots will be deployed to one of BMW’s manufacturing facilities in Spartanburg, South Carolina.
“Figure’s robots will enable companies to increase productivity, reduce costs, and create a safer and more consistent environment.”
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Trades workers: "Serves those glass tower office workers right for looking down on us! AI will take those useless jobs, but my job will never be replaced!"
Trades execs: lol
The only enemy in your story is the execs.
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