If this escalates into a all out war I'm curious to see whose side the average Lemmy user will be taking. I tried doing some research into the history of this conflict and it seems so messy that from my point of view pretty much both sides are to blame.
this post was submitted on 10 May 2025
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Modi is Trump light, but Pakistan is led by a combination of ignorance, misogyny, and incompetence that is geopolitically destabilizing.
Also wird Lemmy zu Pakistan stehen.
The ultimate colprit is British colonialism, and the way the border is drawn after they left
That's my intrepretation of it as well but that doesn't really offer any solutions or clarity to the current situation. In most conflicts like this you can always go even further back in history to justify your cause.
So, do people want the footballer turned president turned didn't sign the right form when getting married so they are now in jail for life person back? Or is a Pakistani military junta still what the USA wants?
Do you mean Prime Minister Imran Khan who used to be a cricketer?
"India"
Indian administered Kashmir
There were also attacks on Indian states bordering Pakistan other than Kashmir.
Yeah but that's not what this report is on
Most of the attacks are in rest of India.
Okay I'm sure we'll see reports on those too
Jammu is not Kashmir BTW. And you can see the reports if you go to a news site of your preference.
Jammu is Kashmir; Jammu and Kashmir is the name of Indian-administered Kashmir.
Jammu is not Kashmir. Ladakh is not Kashmir. Kashmir is Kashmir. The name of the place is Jammu & Kashmir because that's how India administers it. The demography, geography, and even the languages are separate.
Jammu[a] and Kashmir[b] (abbr. J&K) is a region administered by India as a union territory[1] and consists of the southern portion of the larger Kashmir region,
Ladakh (/ləˈdɑːk/)[10] is a region administered by India as a union territory[1] and constitutes an eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region that has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947 and India and China since 1959.
-Wikipedia.
The name of the place is Jammu & Kashmir because that's how India administers it.
Okay and? What point are you even trying to make? Because that's an administrative distinction that has no relation at all to the subject at hand.
Nuance matters when the conflict is due to the region being talked about?
How is that nuance relevant here? Because again, the conflict between Pakistan and India (and China) is over Kashmir the region, not a particular administrative division. Pakistan claims all of Jammu and Kashmir and also Ladakh, and the anti-Indian insurgency and Indian reign of terror are in Jammu and Kashmir. When it comes to relations and conflicts with Pakistan, Jammu is Kashmir.
I don't know if you are Pakistani or not but they claim none of Kashmir or Jammu or Ladakh. They claim that it should be an independent country. They just shelter "freedom fighters" who are militants/terrorists in the region. And since religion plays a big role in their claim, demography of the region is damn important. Also Jammu and Ladakh aren't the areas where Indian govt rules with such a heavy hand as they do in Kashmir.
I don't know if you are Pakistani or not but they claim none of Kashmir or Jammu or Ladakh. They claim that it should be an independent country.
I'm not Pakistani, but this information is easily available on Wikipedia.
Though these regions are in practice administered by their respective claimants, neither India nor Pakistan has formally recognised the accession of the areas claimed by the other. India claims those areas, including the area "ceded" to China by Pakistan in the Trans-Karakoram Tract in 1963, are a part of its territory, while Pakistan claims the entire region excluding Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Tract.
-Wikipedia on Kashmir. Also if you open the Wikipedia page on Pakistan or India you'll find that Kashmir is highlighted as "territory claimed but not controlled". Also while I'm not familiar with the details, Indian repression is very much existent in all of Jammu and Kashmir. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir#Massacres
At least read the link you are sharing my man. Also Wikipedia doesn't provide enough context for you to understand the conflict.
At least read the link you are sharing my man.
I did.
Also Wikipedia doesn't provide enough context for you to understand the conflict.
True enough, but I'm not trying to understand the conflict or making a deep point that would require such an understanding. I'm just saying that Kashmir division and Kashmir are different things. Also while they're not especially committed, both Pakistan and India have "we own Kashmir" as their official position. This isn't controversial stuff; it's literally what both sides are saying in public.