I’m so sick of this shit. I and most others have no interest, but will be effected.
this post was submitted on 09 May 2025
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Here's an idea: Let's take the five or six middle-aged male politicians (because it's almost always middle-aged male politicians) from each side who want to send their own people to war and put them in a big room with baseball bats.
My bet is it will be like those viral videos where dogs bark at each other when there's a gate in the way, but if someone opens the gate, they just stare at each other and look nervous.
Whatever happens in there, it's to have absolutely no bearing on their countries or the rest of the world, but they're not allowed to come out until they all need a hospital.
And if they still want war after that, they go back in the room.
My bet is it will be like those viral videos where dogs bark at each other when there's a gate in the way, but if someone opens the gate, they just stare at each other and look nervous.
It would be exactly like this viral video
Unfortunately it's not just politicians doing this. A lot of people hate each other for no other reason than they're from a different country/religion/race.
Yeah, but it's those politicians who'll send their compatriots to war.
If instead they'd started walking the propaganda back rather than lighting fires under everyone and getting everyone mad, it might have averted this. (Past tense because it might already be too late by the look of it). And one way to convince blood-thirsty ivory tower dwellers that war is a bad idea is that room I mentioned.
I mean, I saw a video the other day of children at a kindergarten or primary school where a little boy declared that he wanted to see the destruction of the other country. I forget now which country the boy was from, but it doesn't matter. The politicians on each side have been fomenting hate for decades when they could have been doing the opposite, and that, unlike money, actually does trickle down.
Yes, religion is a charged topic here. Especially after the recent terrorist attack.
How is that gonna solve the people in each country hating the other due to incompatible religion or whatever the issue of the day is
Sounds like a Kilgore Trout story
I really hope there is a parallel universe where this happens, I wish it with every fiber of my being
I expected this war 20 years ago, I am surprised they kept their pants on this long. These two stay trying to fuck.
Serious questions: India attacked Kashmir? Why? Did they have intel that Pakistan was actually involved in a tourist attack or is this assumption?
Did they have intel that Pakistan was actually involved in a tourist attack or is this assumption?
EDIT: to clarify, pakistan itself is not involved on the killing of tourists, but there is evidence to support that the group that did kill the tourists have complete patronage of pakistan's army and government and are shielded by them.
the intel or its source is not shared publicly yet, though. nobody can say for sure why it hasn't been shared yet but the conjecture is that it's to protect a sensitive set of sources based in pakistan from retaliation.
india has put itself on the backfoot. fighting this war is like trying to wrestle with a pig--india will only muddy itself while the pig loves it. they wouldn't put themselves in such a position unless there was compelling evidence to do so.
separately, this isn't the first attack on indian civilians by members of groups sheltered in pakistan by all their official and legal machinery. this isn't even the first successful such attack.
these attacks are akin to the september 11 attacks on the twin towers (in that innocent civilians are targeted by a deeply planned and coordinated attack with the sole aim to spread fear and terror). and that was reason enough for the usa to conduct an operation in pakistan's heartland to "get" osama (who himself was sheltered by the same people in pakistan's army and government).
This is a fair assessment. I am surprised. I've been seeing a lot of denial of Pakistan's association with terrorism around this site.
Can you please give news sources for what you're saying? I'm sorry, I'm just terribly uninformed on this.
additional sources for other points:
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terrorist bomb blasts in mumbai 2006 BBC
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terrorist attacks in mumbai 2008 PBS
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terrorist attacks on india's parliament 2001 BBC Sounds podcast (the most neutral source i could find)
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osama bin laden and pakistan timeline BBC
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timeline of terror attacks in india random source
Thank you. I'm trying to understand what the resistance front is. Wikipedia says separatist movement that uses no religious language but there may be governmental tires or something like that. I have a feeling this isn't going to be a one-evening dive, but months or years.
Traditionally, resistance movements in Kashmir did not target tourists. This was because it had an implicit agreement with the business class and local Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism. So harming tourists would make you look like an extremist who doesn't care about the locals. Additionally, the terrorist attack was condemned by Kashmiris coming out in the streets to protest for the first time in history. TRF doesn't have widespread support among Kashmiris because of this attack and a previous killing in Reasi, of tourists as well. In both attacks, Kashmiri people lost lives as well. A famous militant, Burhan Wani had a lot of popularity in Kashmir-300,000 people attended his funeral. But he and his gang were caught, and while they had received arms from across the border, they didn't have the sophisticated technology that these terrorists did. This particular operation was highly sophisticated and efficient, more in the pattern of trained terrorists from the attacks above listed than indigenous rebels we've seen in Kashmir. So it is quite likely it was a Pakistan funded proxy. LeT is called the most reliable and efficient proxy Pakistan uses against India, though they have conducted attacks in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well.
I can suggest a few books on Kashmir Christopher Snedden - Independant Kashmir (sympathetic to the cause, but arguably that's the moral position to take. Either way, it's fairly objective.) And a few on terrorism and LeT, if you'd like In their own words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - C. Christine Fair Storming the World Stage - the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba - Frankel Stephen The one above goes into depth about the Pakistani government's complicity in the activities of the group. Some of the sites detailed in this book were struck by the Indian government in the missile strike.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to type a well-thought response to educate me on a subject about which I am woefully ignorant. I've bookmarked your reply so I can refer back to it. I hope others will read your post and if they're knowledgeable, add more.
this reuters article is one.
the problem is that all public news articles will be sketchy this early in the game. most relevant information is still classified and not available yet.
I understand, and thank you.
Trump sucks at diplomacy and moderation of global conflicts
He doesn't just suck. He is completely incompetent. If I am wrong, please someone correct me but I don't remember anything negotiated during his first term that has lasted.
Negotiation is essentially an exercise in empathy, trying to put yourself in the other side's shoes, moderating a negotiation is essentially the same thing twice. Is it any wonder that an egocentric person who only cares about himself is not good at it?
What does this ages old conflict have to do with America? If anything it should be the UK getting involved as they kinda helped create the mess
The US supports the current military dictatorship and is apparently fine with the former prime minister bring locked up for no reason. And that's bipartisan policy, most of this happened under Biden.
Not sure if Imran Khan would've let things escalate as far as it has (or even would've allowed those initial terrorist attacks to happen).
And as for Trump, I don't have high hopes of him successfully negotiating a peace between 2 nuclear powers that have been at war since the 40s.
Depends on what side you're on...