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I asked Wendy if I could read the paper she turned in, and when I opened the document, I was surprised to see the topic: critical pedagogy, the philosophy of education pioneered by Paulo Freire. The philosophy examines the influence of social and political forces on learning and classroom dynamics. Her opening line: “To what extent is schooling hindering students’ cognitive ability to think critically?” Later, I asked Wendy if she recognized the irony in using AI to write not just a paper on critical pedagogy but one that argues learning is what “makes us truly human.” She wasn’t sure what to make of the question. “I use AI a lot. Like, every day,” she said. “And I do believe it could take away that critical-thinking part. But it’s just — now that we rely on it, we can’t really imagine living without it.”

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How bad is AI usage and lack of literacy/reading comprehension in the global north? Is it as dire as articles like this make it out to be? I wonder how leftists in these countries will prepare for an increasingly illiterate working class that lacks the attention span to watch videos explaining theory while right-wing memes make their points in a handful of words.

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[–] curmudgeonthefrog@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago

Makes sense, we're an empire in decline. American capital is stripping the copper out of the wires. Child labor is coming back. Slavery is coming back (and never really went away). For what purpose do you need an educated populace as a capitalist. AI being the last possible new market is way more important to them

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

Wild that Frank Herbert actually nailed the meta commentary of the Butlerian Jihad, the man was actually cooking with that premise

Of course this doesn't actually "unravel the entire academic project" simply unravels the concept of homework and online schooling

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (16 children)

This sounds like they made up a young person to get mad at tbh. I don't think most students use AI to that extent.

In all honesty though, the whole way we teach needs to be overhauled. So much of these classes amounts to busywork and teaching stuff that isn't relevant. But the biggest problem of all are these classes are rushed and that results in students being dumped with a continuous stream of too much information, all of which they can't realistically remember in a short amount of time. That, and due to pressure on teachers to teach the entirety of a subject in a stupidly short amount of time, we are increasingly seeing teachers basically tell students to teach themselves.

If students do resort to chatgpt, which I think is rare, it's because the quality of teaching has gone down the tubes. Not the teachers fault, just the stupid way the whole thing is structured.

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[–] CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If your coursework can be solved by a plagiarism markov chain-ish machine that is more of an indictment of your course than the students.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i haven't done long division by hand in years but it was still important to learn how math works even though we all carry a calculator around.

the basics are basic, extremely well understood, and covered in great detail, of course a stochastic parrot can regurgitate them.

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[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

downbear

The whole point is that A) the goal of school assignments isn't to get the right answer it's to learn to understand the surrounding concepts and how to get the right answer in a more generalizable way and B) the students aren't learning anything if its copy pasted from an AI. And C) frankly the LLM doesn't usually "solve" it. Its outputs are often easily distinguishable, poor answers, that just look good enough at first glance to hit submit.

What about an LLM producing plausible output (the one thing it's built to do) in response to a prompt (the question/assignment) actually means the coursework is poorly designed?

I genuinely want to know your thought process here. Is it just that teachers should be expected to outpace cheating technology or that you genuinely think anything that can convincingly be done by an LLM isn't worth having a human do it?

Writing an essay on a topic is not just a way of assessing your knowledge of the topic, it's great practice for communicating your ideas in a coherent polished form in general. Just because an LLM can write something that sometimes passes for a human-written essay doesn't mean that essays are useless now...

[–] Losurdo_Enjoyer@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A) the goal of school assignments isn't to get the right answer it's to learn to understand the surrounding concepts and how to get the right answer in a more generalizable way

where are you from this is not how schools operate in the US

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[–] GeneralSwitch2Boycott@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's not actually being solved, an imitation of a solution is being presented. Kids using AI sludge is the same as if their parents did all their work for them. Changing the coursework to ensure their parents or machine sludge aren't doing it for them is going to turn schoolwork more and more into multiple choice exams with linear thinking.

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I then fed a chunk of text from the Book of Genesis into ZeroGPT and it came back as 93.33 percent AI-generated.

Turns out the Bible was the word of God handed down to man, it’s just that God is the AI bot running our simulation.

This says to me that our leadership is only going to get worse and worse. The meritocracy will be full of people with degrees from the right universities but with zero ability to think dynamically. Thus novel situations will be handled with AI slop only further exacerbating the “constantly trying to fight the last war” problem (metaphorically speaking).

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I used to work for a company that would write papers for students. A lot of them were like composition 101 level 500 word essays but I also did a few grad school assignments lol. Like I did a master's thesis in health admin, one in art history, and one in nursing education.

I guess I'm out of a job though since now chatgpt will do this for free

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a very good friend who totally ghostwrote the master's thesis of a Russian oligarch's failson when we were all in grad school. My friend and I were doing PhDs in topics pretty closely related to the failson's master's (my friend's dissertation topic was pretty much bang-on). The guy paid my friend a low four figures amount for him to do it; the topic was an obscure technical field, and the guy was clearly just getting the credential to pad his CV. This kind of thing has always been around--ChatGPT has just sort of democratized it.

I'm honestly more worried about the increasing number of people who are using ChatGPT as a substitute for friends or soft skills. The people who are using it to do their essays probably wouldn't have written particularly scintillating essays even if they didn't have it (or would have found some other way to cheat). Lots and lots of ordinary people are using it as a socialization outlet, though, and we don't know what effect that's having.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pour one out for all the adjuncts who have to read a thousand first year chatgpt papers

[–] Bolshechick@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

They'll probably just get chatgpt to read and grade the papers for them

We're so cooked lol

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