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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Looking at the comments, it occurs to me that we're not a representative section of the online community.

Were literally people who went out of their way to not use a conventional/commercial tech product.

I wonder what the % of people on here is who have built a pc, used a raspberry pi or installed Linux compared to the outside world.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

it occurs to me that we're not a representative section of the online community

This! I have been preaching this for years, both online and IRL with the IT techs I manage. Tech nerds (myself included) forget just how little the normal person even cares about computers, let alone how they work.

The vast majority of people just want to buy a computer in a box, and have it work mostly perfectly. Which windows and Mac's do really really well. And yes, windows isnt perfect but neither is Linux. And for 95% of people the most demanding and complicated thing they'll do is web browsing, and power users might do something wild like play games through steam or install an alternate browser.

And we havent even touched work computers yet, which is a whole other level of "I don't care at all" from end users.

Remember people "Linux is amazing!" is meaningless to people who have never heard the acronym SSD let alone what it is or why it's better than a HDD.

I like to compare it to sewing because I genuinely don't care at all about it. But I hear people say "just thrift clothes and tailor them to you!" But that ignores two things.

  1. I genuinely can't think of a whole lot of other leisure activities I'd want to do less than sewing and tailoring.
  2. I barely know how to sew a button or mend a rip. Do you think I know how to actually tailor something? Or what types of tools I need? Or how to use them?
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[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

The thing with Macs is you don't have to spend 80% of your time troubleshooting them. I love my Mac and OS X. I boot it up, log in, and don't have to think about it. The UI is very intuitive and easy to use as well.

[–] TommySalami@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every year I believe this more and more. I've always been lumped in with the tech crowd by anyone not tech-savvy, but in reality all my knowledge is from personal troubleshooting and very limited (I'm thinking of trying Linux and that's gonna be like a whole ass event for me). I used to think that was dumb, but then I started working with more Gen Z...

They have zero idea how to troubleshoot anything. If the computer doesn't do what they expect, it's a full stop for some of them. I have "solved" so many IT problems by replugging a cable or just knowing the settings option exists. These aren't stupid kids either, they're in a tough industry and very capable otherwise. I think my generation was right place, right time to learn this stuff organically because shit just never worked quite right -- apple was largely the outlier back then.

[–] applemao@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

If you even know what an OS is you're ahead of 70% of the population. Probably more.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have an external Samsung SSD that my mac mini just refuses to keep indexed.

The solution to this is when I log in every day I have to go into the Mac system settings and tell finder to ignore my external drive, close system setting, then reopen systen setting and tell finder to no longer ignore the external drive. This is the only way to get it to reindex everything.

I need to do this everytime the mac mini wakes from sleep.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OK, that is one thing I haven't figured out yet. How to make persistent SMB mounts.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

I've used mac for 2 years now for work (despite my repeated requests for a linux laptop). I have all kinds of weird issues including screensaver taking up gigs of memory, login not working unless I click off my portrait and click back on it (with no other changes), and a bunch of other just weirdness. I can't stand the thing.

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[–] adm@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I learned because I was torrenting and broke the family windows computer. It was either fix it or get grounded.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I grew up on Mac and only switched to Windows when I was 30. lol

I still wonder what Linux is like… It’s probably cool.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, the time to find out is now :)

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would love to try it out, but if there is one thing that will make me want to set the world on fire: it’s tech issues lmfao Not saying that’s what the experience is like, I just kinda get that impression from memes and shit

The setup does not seem undaunting lmao

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[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I switched to Linux after my experience with Windows Millennium Edition. Many people have since referred to me as some sort of programming genius and hacker.....I don't know crap about any of that. I've simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I've had trouble. Using the mainstream distributions (I'm guessing) has kept me from having much trouble.

I think my kids may benefit, as my wife only uses Mac, I have 2 Ubuntus and a Mint, and the kids use Chromebooks at school. We have 2 iPad and a Galaxy tab in the house. 1 kid has an Android phone and the other an iPhone. My wife and I both have flagship Android phones.

Sometimes it's fun to watch them debate over which systems they prefer, depending on the school projects they work on.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mixed messages here: "I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble." Fellow human, those are the actions of a programming genius and hacker. The bar is remarkably low. A lot of people can't even read what it says on the screen.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I just want to point out that I was somewhat tech literate in the 2000s. and The Mac OS still scared me.

[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

My first experience with Linux was at 10 years old or so. I had a netbook that I'd installed Ubuntu on.

Flash forward nearly 14 years and I use Arch as pretty much a daily driver these days.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 155 points 2 days ago (37 children)

I'm currently training a new employee who comes from the "My school handed out Chromebooks" generation, and hol...eee...shit... Its frustrating as hell.

Literally every single instruction gets followed up with "no...double click"

FML

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I used MacOS for a bit, switched to Windows, then when I was 15 I installed Linux :3

Granted I do very much have autism

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[–] tryagain@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Discluded? Are you sure you don't mean excounted?

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[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 69 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Linux users are inherently more tech savvy because there are no limits. On the contrary, there is documentation and free knowledge aplenty. Windows and especially Mac hide and obfuscate everything happening under the hood and you are vaguely warned away from doing anything not specifically blessed by the corporation. That's why those users are less tech savvy on average.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Linux users are inherently more tech savvy because there are no limits.

You clearly have not met my parents. I installed Linux on their PC because they are not tech savvy. Doesn't matter if Windows or Linux breaks down, they can't fix it anyway, so might as well reduce the chance they manage to infect their device with all kinds of malware.

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[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago

Year of birth matters a lot for this experiment.

Macintosh versus some IBM (or clone) running MS DOS is a completely different era than Windows Vista versus PowerPC Macs, which was a completely different era from Windows Store versus Mac App Store versus something like a Chromebook or iPad as a primary computing device.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 day ago

Omg, this is the best early-morning laugh that I've had in a long time. Mac-nerd, here. From childhood. Also a Linux nerd for servers. This is so great that I immediately sent it to friends in tech. I'm still laughing like a nut.

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