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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

48 hours after the election there is now open talk of seperatism of Alberta. Because of a minority of albertans.

In an age where where there is precedence to hold sham referendums. Invade your neighbors with shadow armies under the guise of regional separatists. And ultimately annex territory.

The window for Canadian Crimean crisis is still very much open

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 60 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If we don't do something about social media, disinformation, and voting reform, we will not have a Canada to protect after the next election.

It will be difficult to impossible to hold onto a country that nearly half the population would freely give away without a fight.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the call to "do something" about social media will only result in renewed efforts to do the wrong thing, as the previous government attempted. Facebook will be made to behave slightly better at the cost of creating a new regulatory system that reinforces its power and makes Canada legally dangerous for fedi instances or other alternatives.

Go on Mr. Carney, please prove me wrong.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 days ago (6 children)

All this would be solved if the left leaders would actually fix affordability. This is the only real reason I see so many voting right. Nobody can afford shit and they blame the left.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Problem is it's not the left's fault. The world is blaming the leaders but it's happening globally. The real problem is a few have all the wealth.

[–] jimd@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism, infinite greed and growth and the resulting wealth inequality. Unaffordablity is the inevitable conclusion of late stage capitalism

[–] eurisko@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

This right here. This principle is baked into its very core. We know exactly what to do to counter that. It's not rocket science: We need to do away with tricklenomics, and speculative economy and start taxing the ultrarich, and imposing limits to their reach.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Our left leaning leaders should update tax laws to address the growing wealth gap. And start building homes so average Canadians can afford a decent home in a decent location.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Agree completely. Carney is a neoliberal and will not address this problem - I fear the next election people will be unhappy that their life still sucks due to late stage capitalism and vote in Cons out of some desire for change, and they will destroy our institutions like the Americans.

NDP need to step up with a real candidate that will challenge these systems of wealth extraction.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Sadly I think this could be the beginning of the end for the NDP. They struggled to fill Jack Laytons shoes and though Jagmeet was a less well received leader, I feel they will struggle to fill his shoes too. The Americanization of Canada has already begun.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Dude it's human nature that's doing it. No government will ever fix affordability. Unless they clamp down totalitarian style, then companies will just not sell here. Left. Right, it doesn't fucking matter, prices are only going up because who is going to stop it?

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Crown corp and modular homes seems like a pretty great way of adding a lot of affordable homes. I just hope the government lasts long enough for it to actually kick off. It's not perfect and it doesn't solve capitalism, but it will help if executed well.

If I were to bet, I'd say we'll see the effects just in time for an election, and cpc will take over and take the credit.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

if the left leaders would actually fix affordability

I'm sorry; it's the sole responsibility of the left? Is their "we'll raise the tide a little and float all the boats" not as glamorous as the right's "first we'll cut taxes, bankrupt medical and transit, and then let someone else take it from there" plan?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

That's the key here - the Liberals under Trudeau waited too long to move on affordability, and then they didn't do enough. I hope Carney & co can show quick improvements in housing so the CPC is less attractive.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 days ago (16 children)

We have 4 years to get canadians away from Twitter and Facebook to Mastodon and Friendica to reduce the amount of influence the oligarchs have on our comms.

Lets bring back the vote subsidy, limit the contribution limits to $100 a year, lower the voting age to 16 and pass proportional representation!

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

lower the voting age to 16

I don't agree with this, mostly because that age range is perhaps the most influenced by social media and "misogynist male influencers".

They are too young to know better at that age, and to throw away their future because Joe Rogan or Andrew "The Rapist" Tate manipulated them is just not what this country needs.

But an overhaul of our election system is needed, and laws need to be made that protect people from the barrage of misinformation we are seeing more of every day.

[–] Nils@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is this really your experience with +16 years old? If so, you should get your province to invest more in education.

They(16yo) can drive, they can enlist.

In most provinces, they are choosing their career, trade, university, and with fresh knowledge of history and geopolitics they get from schools.

And there is no magical switch that flips when you turn 18. The sooner they start thinking about their future, the better.

Many countries already allowed 16 years old people to vote, for more than 20 years, and they did not become a misogynist hell-hole.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is this really your experience with +16 years old? If so, you should get your province to invest more in education.

That's the problem, though. Young males voters are swaying heavily to right-wing parties, and it's thought that this is because of the online influence of bad actors.

Of course, any age can be manipulated, but far fewer are being swayed by these β€œinfluencers” as age increases.

And a lack of education ties in with voting Conservative, so there's no incentive for the Cons to change this. They benefit from young, naive, undereducated voters.

They(16yo) can drive, they can enlist.

I'm against that, too. Young drivers are notoriously bad at driving, and have poor judgment on the road.

In most provinces, they are choosing their career, trade, university, and with fresh knowledge of history and geopolitics they get from schools.

Yes, of course. It's a transition age.

Many countries already allowed 16 years old people to vote, for more than 20 years, and they did not become a misogynist hell-hole.

Other countries may not (at least, not now) have a problem with social media influencing their young voters. So, it may "work" for them, but not for North Americans.

I'm not trying to throw this age group under the bus. It's THEIR future that we vote for, and they really should be playing a role in shaping that future.

But I'd want them to be making an informed vote, without the voice of right-wing extremists in their heads. At this present time, I don't think that could happen, because these influencers run unchecked, and it DOES impact how our youth think and act.

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, due to the piss-poor human condition, Canada - and every country on Earth that allows free speech - will go whatever direction the bots run by the nations that do NOT allow free speech want them to go. Anything else is a temporary reprieve.

Boy, I sure didn't see that coming. It's going to be very interesting seeing where such a path ends. Uncomfortable, likely, but interesting.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Totally. I was thinking about China the other day, how crazy they seemed for building the Great Firewall fifteen years ago. I felt sad for their citizens being cutoff from the internet. Now I'm sitting here looking in and I'm all like - fuck, this has been a major contributor to their sovereignty. Both in that this allowed their own strong digital economy to develop instead of getting hooked on American Big Tech, and in that it keeps the propaganda that's threatening us at bay. I'm not saying that censorship is amazing all around but just like you said, had they gone with free speech online, they'd be subject to whatever Big Social makes money from that day. It's crazy how the tables have turned from this perspective. I'm not optimistic that there's a solution that both keeps speech free and protects us from this problem.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 days ago

Newspapers aren't allowed to print whatever they want, news networks can't straight up lie on TV, why are we obsessed with the idea that tech platforms need to be able to wash their hands of everything on their platform.

Maybe we don't need the web to be full of user submitted content. I remember the early Internet, it was way better than what we have today.

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[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think even worse than voting for fear and resentment, they voted for actual fascism. The guy openly stated that he was going to try to ignore Canadian rights and freedoms without any ambiguity. It's not like him twisting turning Canada into a 3rd world resource economy as a great boost to the economy, or that saving the 1% billions in taxes as a way for the average Canadian to save their money.

One of PP's mandates was to use the notwithstanding clause to bypass Canadian rights and freedoms to jail people without a trial. It was one of his platforms, and there was zero ambiguity that he intended to do it exactly as he stated.

The fact that this wasn't a red flag for over 40% of Canadians and an immediate reason to distance themselves from him, it honestly scares me. Because this is how Hitler and Mussolini came into power, along with many other of history's worst leaders. They sounded reasonable at first, with only one or two shady bits to their mandates, only for those shady bits to be the core that started the greatest evils in the world.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Before the election, I was able to see this multiple poll breakdown that was kind of surprising. If you were under 35 and male, you were more likely to have voted CPC. Every other group (esp. women under 35 and everyone over 65) was more likely to vote LPC. This tells me Poilievre's social media campaign, which you may recall was highly "manosphere"-coded was effective with the target group. The good news then is that (while not making the same mistake as the CPC and forgetting other demographics exist), we can reach these people with a smart approach online.

I think Rational National has a good point in that video I linked that maybe these folks who were taken in by the Conservatives were under the impression because the Liberals were in charge as long as they can remember, everything is solely their fault. They're likely missing the overall historical context that we can't afford to keep the tax burden on poor people (especially as wages stagnate) instead of the rich (whose incomes have been exploding up until Trump's market crashes) as we've been doing increasingly for decades upon decades.

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It certainly is possible. Most people have shitty memories for anything that they're not passionate about, and very few people are passionate about politics or how things change around them. Just the latest outrage article more often than not.

But I do think that there is also a connection to the fact that the left is sorely underrepresented in social media as well. And I don't just mean in terms of content creators, but platform owners as well. After all, even if most tech bros that started up all our favourite online media giants, once they reach the top, every single force in the capatalistic world that let them get on top is now a force that drives them hard to the right. Legislation makes it harder to earn more money when you've already squeezed out the easy and legal opportunities. The left is all about change and democratizing things, where the corporate giants have already consolidated so much of the economy that this is a legitimate threat to their power. Not to mention that making it easier for entrepreneurs to start up new companies without relying on venture capital influence to avoid the risk of personal bankruptcy is a direct threat that may topple their empire if they can't buy them out (or will be bought by someone else who already is a direct threat).

And then there's the fact that advertising money flock towards right wing content creators because not only are they more commercially safe since they are far less likely to call out corporations doing bad things, but they're also more willing to take money from unethical sources. I mean, how often does right wing youtubers advertise energy drinks and protein powders? Or what about supplements or "muscle enhancers"?

The double whammy of right wing media giants and right wing content creators make it really hard for the left to get their voice out at all, especially to the young who exclusively get their news from these sources.

I mean, imagine how many think that the stuff they hear on facebook is actual legitimate news despite them officially not allowing Canadian news to be advertised on their services?

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Absolutely. Major media is helpful only to confirm basic facts, while touting stale and one-sided opinions, so we need to make inroads in other ways. Folks who are good with memes can tear into the CPC's lies about who they've really represented from the beginning (while also tearing into the LPC's failures to live up to their promises). Meanwhile, connected folks in blue collar industries and services ideally could get more facts out. It is a big problem how well-meaning professionals-- who tend to snatch up party leadership positions-- regularly and routinely disrespect and alienate other working people without even realizing it.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If people didn't get their butts out to vote, we'd have a conservative government right now.

There's been a huge increase in U.S. influenced right-wing extremism in Canada and it contributed to the increase in conservative seats in gouvernent.

Don't kid yourselves. Just because P.P. didn't get elected or the Conservatives didn't get a majority, it doesn't mean there isn't a rise of right-wing extremism in Canada.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

CBC demonstrated that several Canadian subreddits (which are toxic cesspits rife with divisieness) are run by Russian bots so it's not just US influence.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They would have swept the election if they ran without a leader.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A significant portion of the voters for conservative -- I'd hope most -- voted not conservative not because of fear and resentment, but because they believe in conservative fiscal policy.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Nope, you're 100% wrong. They voted conservative because the sign said conservative. That's it. That is literally all the reason. About 85% of the people I know voted conservative and when I ask them, it's fuck the liberals I'm voting conservative. That's literally all they think.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm imagining you live in Alberta or Saskatchewan. I hear it's like that there every election. Or perhaps you're in a rural riding -- I don't really know anything about how people live there. I'm just thinking big cities.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

And that i guess is part of their problem. Nobody thinks about small towns.

[–] Ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Conservative fiscal responsibility has always been a lie though. The voters are just not capable of fact checking it.

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